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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Exulansic has reduced following?

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Linearpark · 01/03/2022 11:54

Are people still following her now she's migrated to Odyssey? Her numbers are way down but you'd think everyone knew where to find her by now. Is there something about the Odyssey platform that is off-putting that I should know about. eg has it got unsavoury content or is it sound and just small and alternative? Or do people subscribe to channels that they aren't really interested in? Just wondered.

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ScreamingMeMe · 01/03/2022 12:11

Could be Odysee, could be her hot takes on people with DSDs.

ScreamingMeMe · 01/03/2022 12:21

Discussed here. I've certainly unfollowee her for this reason:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4405866-TT-Exulansic-Youtube?msgid=115326243#115326243

NecessaryScene · 01/03/2022 12:31

I sympathise with the above, but you can't really conclude anything either way - there are just going to be far fewer people who actually have registered with Odyssey to actually hit a "follow" button.

(I'm not registered with either YouTube or Odyssey, or Twitter, so I'd never show up as a follower anywhere...)

WarriorN · 01/03/2022 12:35

Agree with screaming.

She's been vile to people with dsds and encouraged pile ons. This led to Claire Graham resigning from dsdfamilies.

The whole bullshit she's been spouting is damaging for feminism as well as anyone who has a dsd. Baring in mind some teen girls only find out when periods don't start.

WarriorN · 01/03/2022 12:35

But I cba with other platforms.

Coyoacan · 01/03/2022 12:44

Personally I didn't see what she said about people with dsd but am not signed up to Odyssey

PatsArrow · 01/03/2022 13:36

I wouldn't follow her now if she was back on YT. I've never had such a turnabout opinion of anyone.

I gave my reasons, but yes. It's the DSD thing in the main.

I feel the same (if not slightly more strongly) about Karen Davies. Unfollowed long ago.

PatsArrow · 01/03/2022 13:37

*have my reasons.

ScreamingMeMe · 01/03/2022 13:39

I feel the same (if not slightly more strongly) about Karen Davies. Unfollowed long ago.

Oh same here. She has turned really nasty, obsessively so.

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 01/03/2022 14:15

I agree with PPs - Exulansic and her devotees haven't just been talking rubbish, they've been saying really nasty stuff to people.

At least a couple DSD advocates have decided to get off Twitter as a result. I didn't know Claire Graham had resigned, that's a real shame. They were also gunning for Emma Hilton at one point.

Can't say if that's had any affect on follower/subscriber numbers after a platform change, though.

TheBeardedVulture · 01/03/2022 14:20

What have they been saying about people with DSDs?

ScreamingMeMe · 01/03/2022 14:22

I've linked to the thread where it's discussed above.

nauticant · 01/03/2022 14:31

In brief, among the many things they've been saying, one highly objectionable one is that if a person has a Y component to their chromosomes, then, irrespective of what DSD they might have, and how it might manifest itself in terms of a female phenotype, they are male and should be excluded from female single sex spaces.

In other words people supposedly on the GC side of things have dragged people with DSDs into the gender identity row for the purposes of scoring points. When trans activists do this, they are rightfully criticised by GC people.

That's expressed neutrally. They way they've pursued this has been extremely unpleasant and highly toxic.

PatsArrow · 01/03/2022 14:37

Agreed.

It was when they called Claire Graham and DSD families pedophile 'ajacent' and encouraging masturbation for young girls by having medical advice about vaginal dilators on their website that particular pissed me off.

Also, all the shit they're throwing at Genspect is utterly appalling too (but that's mainly KD).

264MyShirt · 01/03/2022 14:41

[quote ScreamingMeMe]Discussed here. I've certainly unfollowee her for this reason:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4405866-TT-Exulansic-Youtube?msgid=115326243#115326243[/quote]
Same here, ScreamingMeMe.

I posted several times on that thread and would particularly recommend that new readers, who may be unfamiliar with Sierra Weir's (aka Exulansic) ill-informed, under-researched, misguided and morally reprehensible take on people with VSDs, see the posts by @LangClegsInSpace in that thread.

It is also spattered with posts from her acolytes that are decidedly non-GC, anti-women and anti-feminist, eg. in relation to access to women's spaces:

"XX females only, and even then if they clearly are very man-like but are XX keep them out too."

So that is butch lesbians under the bus along with CAIS women.

Other posts by allegedly "GC feminists" were so vile and violent that they were reported and deleted. Worse than anything I have seen posted on Mumsnet by TRAs.

"Her numbers are way down but you'd think everyone knew where to find her by now."

Those who still want to follow Sierra have been reminded by her fans multiple times, on every Social Networking that site I use, where she can now be found. I think everyone does know where to find her by now. The fact that she has few subscribers might therefore indicate a lack of interest or even active avoidance.

"Or do people subscribe to channels that they aren't really interested in?"
Do you mean, "Or do people only subscribe to channels that they are really interested in?"

I think it was predictable inertia that reduced the un-subscription rate from her YouTube Channel, ie. when she stopped posting responses to "gender medicine" videos and started posting dehumanising, degrading content about people with Variations of Sexual Development (VSDs aka DSDs).

On her new Channel, which I peeked at out of morbid curiosity, Sierra appears to conducting a personal vendetta against a highly respected DSD advocate from the UK, who she and her followers have succeeded in driving out of her job.

When I see this as the first line in a video description, it is hard not to think that I am about to view content created by a rabid MRA or TRA, who describes women in degrading terms referencing their reproductive organs and genitals, such as "vulva havers", "cervix havers", "uterus havers", etc.:

"Claire Graham describes herself as a woman with MRKH syndrome, which occurs when a female fetus does not develop a uterus and often has other structural problems outside the genital system."

Arising from that vendetta, Sierra seems to be laser-focussed on a personal mission to destroy a tiny UK organisation that provides support for families and children with VSDs, ignorant of the fact (or perhaps not?) that the few alternatives include the likes of Mermaids.

TRAs must be whooping with joy at her efforts and those of the frenzied "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" mob who have followed her to alternative platforms.

She constantly accuses others of lying, instead of asking in good faith whether they were aware of facts that have come to her attention. Meanwhile, she lies about her own qualifications, claiming to be a "medically qualified pathologist" and a "licensed, certified, expert pathologist" when she is in fact a Speech & Language Pathologist. A different kettle of fish altogether.

Finally, her take on VSDs in relation to the "sex not gender" issue could not be more misguided if it tried as far as access to women's spaces is concerned.

The logical conclusion to her argument is that some women have penises and some men have vaginas. Where have we heard that before?

She also believes in "male brains" and "female brains". Again, where have we heard that before?

For a thorough debunking of her arguments about DSDs, and an explanation of damage she is doing to the GC cause and analyses, I would recommend these threads by Alex / Lexi "Living with 46 XX/XY Mosaicism. Detransitioned and Female. Head Moderator of r/detrans"

threadreaderapp.com/user/DaysGoByGoBy

I have attached a graphic produced by Alex/Lexi, illustrating the slippery slope that Sierra is dragging her fans down.

I hope Sierra returns to making responses to "gender medicine" videos but with enough humility to recognise the limits of her knowledge and competence.

She has previously mocked someone repeatedly for what she considered to be ignorance of the particular phalloplasty procedure proposed, not imagining for one moment that what she was displaying was her own ignorance and arrogance.

ps. How is her new religion going, the Church that she registered with the IRS in the USA for tax exemption? The "Agape Love Sojourners Divine Church of the Holy Monochotomy".

www.reddit.com/r/Exulansic/comments/s4xseo/i_am_starting_a_church_the_creation_of_agape_love/

She was talking on YouTube about fans making "tithes" but, in the last videos that I saw, it was all-about-the-money in the intros and outro's but via more modern methods of giving.

Excuse my cynicism if I see all the hallmarks of a cult here. All of them.

freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/influence-continuum/

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WarriorN · 01/03/2022 14:48

There's two sites. One is called dsd teens and seems to be a separate charity or run by a different team of youth workers. It linked to BISH as an outside link of advice. BISH is / was actually very highly thought of by many in the pshe world and used by many schools. It's appalling on most things, including, actually, descriptions of people with dsds. Really bad. Conflates with trans, gender bread etc.

Dsdfamilies don't support genderbread concepts etc and therefore to me, that says they were unaware of the wider implications of BISH, as a fuck ton of schools, teachers and other charities are.

Whilst I don't condone those links, to pile on in that particular way, saying the things they said, rather than highlighting it maturely, was grim.

The only slightly good thing that can happen out if any of this is severing naïve ties with BISH. The rest is a pile of shit.

SevenWaystoLeave · 01/03/2022 16:02

@nauticant

In brief, among the many things they've been saying, one highly objectionable one is that if a person has a Y component to their chromosomes, then, irrespective of what DSD they might have, and how it might manifest itself in terms of a female phenotype, they are male and should be excluded from female single sex spaces.

In other words people supposedly on the GC side of things have dragged people with DSDs into the gender identity row for the purposes of scoring points. When trans activists do this, they are rightfully criticised by GC people.

That's expressed neutrally. They way they've pursued this has been extremely unpleasant and highly toxic.

That's interesting since I've seen exactly the same argument made by mumsnetters.
WarriorN · 01/03/2022 16:03

No you haven't. Apart from a couple of SW fans who tried to on that thread.

Linguini · 01/03/2022 17:44

This person sounds unhinged.

Do they identify as a feminist? A GC one at that?

Mollyollydolly · 01/03/2022 18:00

I wouldn't follow her now. Really shocked at her 'hot takes,'

ScreamingMeMe · 01/03/2022 18:14

@Linguini

This person sounds unhinged.

Do they identify as a feminist? A GC one at that?

I don't think so, no.

She is a detransitioner, so started out making interesting and informative vidoes about gender affirming health care and its drawbacks, before going on this very weird tangent.

ThatsNotMyGolem · 01/03/2022 19:15

I think she was a TRA plant all along.

DontLikeCrumpets · 01/03/2022 19:21

@nauticant when and others in this thread refer to DSD, are you referring to CAIS?

nauticant · 01/03/2022 19:25

She did refer to CAIS and that was at the heart of the storm she caused. She also referred to PAIS in the sense of CAIS vs PAIS. She might have referred to other DSD conditions.

Linearpark · 01/03/2022 20:06

Thanks very much to all for their feedback! I shall have to look into this. I've been busy lately, and did wonder if something was going on. That just doesn't sound like her, it sounds like the opposite really. Tras use DSDs to confuse people don't they? Thanks for the links, will read them asap

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