Mridul Wadwha and the thought police

[IamSarah]

Great article in Spiked Online about Mridul Wadwha's latest shenanigans:

www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/01/the-thought-police-are-here/

To briefly summarise:

• Mridul was born male

• Mridul is legally male with no GRC

• Mridul is the CEO of Edinburgh Rape crisis

• Mridul claims women who want female only rape crisis services are bigoted and should 'reframe their trauma'

• The CEO of a domestic violence charity Nicola Murray stopped referring women to Mridul's rape crisis service due to Mridul's misogyny

• Mridul reported Nicola Murray to the police for committing a hate crime

• The police actually visited Nicola Murray to question her thinking

I'd really like to know why my post was deleted.

There isn't much rhyme or reason to what is allowed and what is not here. I guess that the Law of Averages means that some will fall.

@barleybadminton

Frankly, I am indebted to you for supplying the context of her earlier book, which she referred to it this article, written in 2003. Like us these years later, Andrea Dworkin was willing to consider the impact on women.

She is reviewing a book about cross dressers not trans women, a book which favourably argues that trans men are men incidentally.

Aren't cross-dressers transwomen too? How exclusionary, Stonewall goes for "acceptance without exception", donchaknow...

Barley the MRA. Depressing but very imformative for anyone watching.

@barleybadminton

Frankly, I am indebted to you for supplying the context of her earlier book, which she referred to it this article, written in 2003. Like us these years later, Andrea Dworkin was willing to consider the impact on women.

She is reviewing a book about cross dressers not trans women, a book which favourably argues that trans men are men incidentally.

Yes, I know. Do not project your own tendency to skip over entire paragraphs onto others. It's rude. Did you not note that Andrea thought Amy Bllom should interrogate that argument?

As you missed it, I'll help.

The willingness to have female genitalia and to abstain from sex, the lack of emphasis on the penis as such, raise many questions about the maleness of these perceived men. Maybe Bloom’s subjective reaction to these female-to-male transsexuals - these are men - might not withstand more aggressive scrutiny: has any of them ever committed a sexual assault? Are they communicating with her as women might, or might being oneself appear to be male, lacking as it does the deviousness and decoration of the female role in the west?

While I wait for certain posters to actually read the whole of all the posts in this thread thus far, I'm going to do something I'm told is more age-appropriate for me than posting on mumsnet about 70s feminism:

playing Mario games.

But she worked in the sector for nearly 15 years without anyone even knowing she was trans so that suggests she is more motivated by supporting survivors of sexual violence than cheer-leading for trans rights.

In a blog post titled 'On Validation and Tolerance', someone who had met MW during the time you are talking about mentioned just how easy it was to work out that MW was male.

I cannot link it here, it is in an archive site which MN deleted my link to a few pages ago.

Not only did the author mention that 14 years before writing, they met MW but that at the time they had a discernible Adam's apple and voice. And that 'power' that we discussed earlier in regards to 'Louise and the power of women in need', it was very apparent too.

In this instance, it came from putting people in a position where they had to validate MW's appearance as a woman. After the event, MW and the author's friend sat and discussed the 'bigots, and intolerant idiots' who avoided answering the question.

This has been posted on MN before as I recalled seeing it. The name has stuck with me.

I look forward though to barely producing something which denounces this recollection. I hope that barley can produce something from a person who has nothing to lose in their honesty, in other words, that testimony is not compelled at all, and was not in a traumatised state at the time they made the error in identifying this person as a female. When the testimony is from someone who has met MW in person, without any surgeries aimed at feminising them.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Perhaps the famous quote by Bev Jo best illustrates the ugly mood of the time: “They expect we’ll be shocked to see statistics about them being killed, and don’t realize, some of us wish they would ALL be dead.”

That would be Bev Jo, the woman who reported being sexually assaulted by Beth Elliot? As detailed in the post you are responding to?

It does pay to read other people's posts. I used bolding for you.

Bev Jo accused Elliot of sexual harassment many years previously not assault, and for the record Elliot strenuously denied it. But taking her at her word are you really claiming that is a justification for wishing death on every trans woman? If someone is sexually harassed by a lesbian or gay men would that justify them wishing all LGB people dead?

I still don't think I've had an answer as to why Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre can offer groups for many different services users but not provide a single sex service for women who require it, using the single sex exemptions allowed to them in law.

So, no UK feminists then barely? Just your usual reliance on the US to back up your discussions that centre on the UK.

Yet more moving the goalposts I see. I fail to see why feminists from the US have no relevance to this debate.

Shall we start posting the trans activists who have issued death and rape threats over the past 5 years?

Would you like us to do this? I am very happy to start.

We could also include who websites where these have been captured and where lesbians have been abused by transitioned males for rejecting their claims that those transitioned males are lesbians too and that the females deserve rape and death for their boundaries.

Shall I start?

I will also include the latest batch of transitioned male and allies protesters who like to do things like let of smoke devices in Grenfell, those who like to shout abusive slogans during sessions where women are recounting dead women's names who have died at the hand of males, and drawing threats on pavements and such.

@Waitwhat23

I still don't think I've had an answer as to why Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre can offer groups for many different services users but not provide a single sex service for women who require it, using the single sex exemptions allowed to them in law.

Presumably because they don't want to and as an independent organisation they can do what they like.

@barleybadminton

So, no UK feminists then barely? Just your usual reliance on the US to back up your discussions that centre on the UK.

Yet more moving the goalposts I see. I fail to see why feminists from the US have no relevance to this debate.

Because the US has had a very different history to trans rights than the UK. As you know. This discussion has been had with you before.

And because it is a rather different political environment.

I am not moving the goal posts.

Please assume that any request from any poster on this board for evidence on feminist opinions should be based on the UK unless stated otherwise.

You have been here long enough that we should not have to rehash this discussion. But please do continue to play the disingenuous poster.

Shall we start posting the trans activists who have issued death and rape threats over the past 5 years?

Okay let's. Please point out one prominent trans activist in the UK who has issued a credible rape or death threat (as opposed to anonymous twitter trolls).

Could anyone please explain the difference between cross dressers and transwomen?

@barleybadminton do you agree with their decision to exclude these woman?

Because the US has had a very different history to trans rights than the UK. As you know. This discussion has been had with you before.

No it hasn't, but I'm aware how flaky your relationship with the truth is.

And just because the US has a different history I fail to see why that makes the views of some of the most important contributors to feminism in the world irrelevent.

On the subject of US/UK feminists - the US has an utterly different legal and cultural landscape than the UK. It's pointless to try and transpose theory or ideas from one to the other.

There is no 'Equality Act' protecting the rights of trans people in the US.

And that's before we even begin to look at the rights of women in the US, which is a whole other OCEAN of fish.

[quote Waitwhat23]@barleybadminton do you agree with their decision to exclude these woman?[/quote]
I would support a project being funded to do so if a need could be demonstrated. I support a range of provision and a properly funded VAWG sector. As I've said several times I have no problems with the existence of NIA. But Edinburgh Rape Crisis practice a trans inclusive approach and that is their right as an indepednet organisation.

@barleybadminton

Because the US has had a very different history to trans rights than the UK. As you know. This discussion has been had with you before.

No it hasn't, but I'm aware how flaky your relationship with the truth is.

And just because the US has a different history I fail to see why that makes the views of some of the most important contributors to feminism in the world irrelevent.

They are only important to you barely. And I think posters can see how your 'truths' work out.

So.... no UK second wave feminists horrified at what is being pursued in their name then?

Bev Jo accused Elliot of sexual harassment many years previously not assault, and for the record Elliot strenuously denied it. But taking her at her word are you really claiming that is a justification for wishing death on every trans woman

So this just casts doubt on allegations of sexual hate as mentioned (or assault) which is against MN codes is it not?

Did we not cover this when another MRA was casting doubt on similar accusations?

@Deliriumoftheendless

Bev Jo accused Elliot of sexual harassment many years previously not assault, and for the record Elliot strenuously denied it. But taking her at her word are you really claiming that is a justification for wishing death on every trans woman

So this just casts doubt on allegations of sexual hate as mentioned (or assault) which is against MN codes is it not?

Did we not cover this when another MRA was casting doubt on similar accusations?

I'm not casting doubts on it I took her at her word and reported the facts of the allegation.

They are only important to you barely.

I think you'll find Angela Davies, Catherine Mckinnon and Gloria Steinman are important to more people than just me lol.

@barleybadminton

Shall we start posting the trans activists who have issued death and rape threats over the past 5 years?

Okay let's. Please point out one prominent trans activist in the UK who has issued a credible rape or death threat (as opposed to anonymous twitter trolls).

'One that stands out was transgender-identifying activist and model Tara Wolf’s ominous challenge to JK Rowling last year: “Meet me outside! Hyde Park! Let’s f*king have at it, you c*t!” Mr Wolf became infamous in 2018 after joining two other transgender-identifying young men in a vicious attack on women’s right campaigner Maria Maclachlan. Ms Maclachlan was attending a feminist gathering at Speaker’s Corner that the pack of youths were opposed to. At the trial of her attacker, Ms Maclachlan was reprimanded by a judge and later punished with a denial of compensation for the violent crime, because Ms Maclachlan did not remember to consistently refer to her male attacker with his preferred female pronouns throughout her testimony'

Quoted from - www.womenarehuman.com/influential-women-terrorized-with-death-threats-by-trans-extremists/

I doubt many people would feel comfortable posting “the allegations have been denied by the accused but taking the accuser at their word..” on any other thread about sexual assault.