Male midwife facing 29 charges of misconduct,

[TheLoneRager]

NMC hearing started today, expected to last four days, of a senior male midwife accused of, among other things, having taken pictures of two women having caesarian sections without their permission and also filmed himself performing a sex act in a hospital toilet.
He faces 29 misconduct charges.

Will be watching this case this week.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10439033/Bullying-male-midwife-alleged-taken-pictures-two-women-having-Caesarean-sections.html

No male midwives. Shouldn't be a thing.
Any men dreaming of spending their working lives looking at women's intimate areas needs to be vetted and supervised at all times, they're all suss as fuck

The NHS fails at a systemic level on patient consent, because its culture is coercive and paternalistic.

Adding this into a situation where there is already a culture of violating consent is unsafe.

So we have 4% of male MW who behaved inappropriately.
I’m wondering what is the rate for male gynaecologists. Or fertility specialists.

I’m also wondering why so many people say they wouldn’t want a male MW about will have no issue with a male gynaecologist at the birth (one was there with Dc1 for a ventouse delivery, they are the ones who perform CS etc etc).

Now, I’m not advocating that women should all be happy to have a male MW. I’m just surprised that one is seen as unacceptable but not the other when the risks are not dissimilar.

@MaryAndHerNet

No male midwives. Shouldn't be a thing. Any men dreaming of spending their working lives looking at women's intimate areas needs to be vetted and supervised at all times, they're all suss as fuck

Does it also apply to gynaecologists? Or are you just happy to be able to see someone nowadays?

@draramallama

The NHS fails at a systemic level on patient consent, because its culture is coercive and paternalistic.

Adding this into a situation where there is already a culture of violating consent is unsafe.

Yep.

I fully agree with you on that. And it’s not just about women and giving birth.

I had a female sonographer who shoved me, without warning, so hard that I nearly fell off the bed. When I said it hurt she rolled her eyes and muttered something about the baby’s position while continuing to push and shove. My stomach was sore for days.

So because the NHS allows abusive female HCPs to remain in post that reassures you there would be appropriate safeguards against abusive male HCPs?

I'm sorry she assaulted you. I hope you felt able to complain.

@GroggyLegs

Fair enough, don't ban anyone from jobs.

But I always question why the fuck any man entering a caring profession would think "oh yeah, women at their most vulnerable and emotional, involving intimate care! That's the line of work for me!"

Doesn't that show a completely lack of empathy or boundaries from kick off? Its completely self centred.

I read an article about an “exceptional “ bloke who as a midwife. When he discussed his motives it was all about babies and “bringing life into the world” and that being really rewarding. Nothing, absolutely nothing about the women That is my concern. Midwives are primarily there to support the Woman giving birth. Clue is in the name. It’s not just medical (well it might be now cos of under funding and staffing🙄), it’s about an empathetic response to the womens pain, anxiety, fears, tiredness etc. I didn’t hear any of that from him. My refusal to have male midwife at my 2nd pregnancy wasn’t cos of internals ( I was having mostly of male obstraticians doing internals) , I just didn’t want someone who thought that they could support me who’d never even had menstrual pain telling me how to deal with pain At best it takes a very arrogant man to be a male midwife or someone who is just there to “bring life into the world” vs “supporting women to give birth and have best and safest experience she can under the circumstances “. Either view has no place in midwifery.

Top tip, HouseWivesFavourite - generally wishing death on other people is a good example of someone whose views are 'bigoted', rather than, say, women stating their boundaries and consent. But good to see you state your position clearly.

Are the schools off again, btw?

Flickflack, my male Ob/gyn was a raging misogynistic arsehole. YMMV.

Warblerinwinter me wonder if that was about the midwife I had? Every now and again I Google him and I think I’ve come up with articles about him before.

I’m a bit teary now. Even though my birth experience was many moons ago. I found it traumatic. I didn’t feel there was anyone looking out for me. I was so frightened, so very frightened. No one cared. I might have had all the right medical procedures but no one CARED. Maybe that’s not about m v f though, so sorry to derail.

'Your mileage may vary' - I'm saying that it probably depends and some will be misogynists and some not.

Are you suggesting that all male OB’s are or that like any profession some people are areseholes?

An awful lot of men are like that, whichever profession they pursue.

Blooming and any women affected by substandard care during pregnancy and birth. It's not right. You deserve better. We deserve better. If you're still finding it upsetting some time later, it might be worth contacting a counsellor or therapist to work through the issue. Childbirth often leaves lasting trauma responses for women.

(and fwiw it's not derailing to talk about how your experiences have affected you)

I had a male midwife who was horrible. I didn’t want a male midwife but I was in a hospital in an area with a lot of Muslim women. The hospital team told me these women couldn’t have him and led me to believe I’d be left without care if I didn’t agree.

This is why I don't think we should have male midwives, they are taking a job away from a woman, there will always be a time where a patient has no choice in being treated by them. Every male who becomes a midwife will know that he could end up treating a woman who feels vulnerable in the presence of men, at a time when she is most vulnerable, yet the men are fine with this.

Wow. The sexism on this thread. "Men shouldn't be midwives". WTF? I work with many male nurses and midwives and they are exemplary. Maybe women shouldn't be urologists then? As they deal with prostates and penises a lot of the time. Tell you what, no medical professional should be able to treat the opposite sex. How about that? Get a grip you lot.

So we have 4% of male MW who behaved inappropriately.
I’m wondering what is the rate for male gynaecologists. Or fertility specialists.

That have been caught...

That's the issue here.

Take a cross sample of 10000 random men, how many of them will be perverts, law breakers, abusers of position?
It'll be a good percentage I reckon.

Men are known and have been proven to take extraordinary lengths to access their 'objects of wankery'
Training to be an police officer to abuse women.
Training in the priest good to access children.
Training as a midwife to access vulnerable women.

So let's say 10000 men, working daily, with vulnerable women with access to women's intimate areas. We'll say 90% of them will be absolutely safe, fine, trust worthy etc. But that leaves 10% If we've caught 4%, that still leaves 6% we don't know about..
600 men left out of the 10000 working without being caught.

In real terms, in real actual numbers of males working with women as described, there's likely a LOT more than 10000 of them and if only 5% of them are uncaught dodgy ones, that could be 100s upon 100s of dodgy men accessing several women every day, 5 days a week.
Maths suggests that could lead to 1000s upon 1000s of potential victims every year. But the victims don't know as the perpetrator hasn't been caught yet.

Think about the other patients of the guy in the OP. Unaware of any wrong doings, telling others how good and nice the guy seemed... Till the guy got caught..

@whatfreshheck

Wow. The sexism on this thread. "Men shouldn't be midwives". WTF? I work with many male nurses and midwives and they are exemplary. Maybe women shouldn't be urologists then? As they deal with prostates and penises a lot of the time. Tell you what, no medical professional should be able to treat the opposite sex. How about that? Get a grip you lot.

When the statistics start showing women perpetrating as many crimes against men as men perpertrat against women, I'll agree whole heartedly that.women shouldn't have access to vulnerable men... Until then, let's focus on who poses the most risk to whom.

My husbands an ITU doc. Should he just treat men then? If he is the only consultant on call should he not treat a woman? He also works for the air ambulance. Sometimes it's an all male crew except for the pilot. Should he not treat women in labour that's gone wrong?

Have a look at the NMC hearings page- there are an awful lot of female nurses on there.

@whatfreshheck

My husbands an ITU doc. Should he just treat men then? If he is the only consultant on call should he not treat a woman? He also works for the air ambulance. Sometimes it's an all male crew except for the pilot. Should he not treat women in labour that's gone wrong?

Your bias is showing.