Jennifer Swayne arrested for stickering.

[Thelnebriati]

Jennifer Swayne has been arrested on charges of vandalism, ‘hate crimes’ and public order offences. Police searched her house and removed several sheets of stickers.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1485304357293891588

Then I look forward to seeing the arrests and equal treatment of those happily stickering gun threats towards women who dare to speak up against the destruction of their rights. Because otherwise it will be clear selective application of law, won't it?

Indeed I would hate to think the police have an anti women bias

I do hope that the crack Sticker Squad are hard at work tracking down every last person who has affixed any version of a “shut the fuck up TERF” sticker or poster to public property; because those would be prioritised for removal by the Council if reported. (Not that Councils tend to have it in their budgets for such, but to be quite clear, in graffiti terms, it falls into the bracket of what Councils across the UK would deem offensive.)

It’s almost as if the police think one of these things is not like the other

@ItsCoachBombay

If you say so...

Even so as a stand alone offence of criminal damage it would be a fine if convicted, hardly gonna get the 3month custodial for a index offence of "stickering" 🤣

I don't disagree, I'd be astonished if she gets sent down, in fact if the CPS don't think they can make the public order charge stick then it wouldn't surprise me if she was offered a caution and a bill from the council as a resolution.

EdithStourton my sentiments exactly. She can use it for her defence if this shit show ever makes it to court,use it to pay any fines or blow it all on more stickers and seditious books. I consider it a small investment that will pay off big time whatever the outcome.

@TheFnozwhowasmirage

EdithStourton my sentiments exactly. She can use it for her defence if this shit show ever makes it to court,use it to pay any fines or blow it all on more stickers and seditious books. I consider it a small investment that will pay off big time whatever the outcome.

I would be very cautious about discussing or even offering money to pay fines. If it goes to court and the magistrate gets wind of it then they are quite likely to impose a heavier, and non financial sentence.

I would be very cautious about discussing or even offering money to pay fines. If it goes to court and the magistrate gets wind of it then they are quite likely to impose a heavier, and non financial sentence.

Is that right? Can you cite any examples where that has happened before?

Looking forward to seeing your evidence.

I have no idea. But it is not a defence against a crime to say well someone else did it too. That wouldn't even wash in most playgrounds.

Well, except both kids would be in trouble not just the girl one.

Well, except both kids would be in trouble not just the girl one.

Yep.

Well done for keeping this thread bumped - that garden is absolutely blooming .
Come on barley - keep lecturing.

@EdithStourton

Oh, and in case Barley is kindly fretting about what will happen to the results of our gardening if Jenni isn't charged, I don't care what she does with my small contribution - she can use it to pay off her mortgage or go on a deluxe three-week cruise as far as I'm concerned.

We should run a parallel crowdfunder for the cruise. I would chip in another tenner

Bollocks, absolute bollocks.

Sentencing guidelines will give a max £2500 fine for such an offence or if you don't fancy paying the fine 3 month custodial serve half by default so 6 weeks in HMP Eastwood Park.

Our prison estates are so full, they are not sending a vulnerable woman for a custodial over bloody stickering as a index offence 🤣

Jesus I know some repeate offenders who are on their 300th shoplifting offence who have maybe served a short stint of a custodial and that was for breech of licence not for the original offence 🤣

@MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor

I would be very cautious about discussing or even offering money to pay fines. If it goes to court and the magistrate gets wind of it then they are quite likely to impose a heavier, and non financial sentence.

Is that right? Can you cite any examples where that has happened before?

Looking forward to seeing your evidence.

Fines are intended as punishment and are set based on the severity of the offence and means to pay. If there's a big chunk of money sat there to pay the fine then it will either be set higher to ensure punishment or a different sentence will be given. If the court is not made aware of this money the defendent may face further charges should it come to light.

I would be very cautious about discussing or even offering money to pay fines. If it goes to court and the magistrate gets wind of it then they are quite likely to impose a heavier, and non financial sentence.

That's interesting (if true). Do you know if that happened after the non-binary mayor of Bangor in North Wales offered to pay a man's fine for begging?

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/bangor-mayor-offers-pay-mans-21350032

Totally off-topic, but if you want a bit of light relief, the Nolan podcast with the non-binary mayor is hilarious.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09yk6ky

If there's a big chunk of money sat there to pay the fine then it will either be set higher to ensure punishment or a different sentence will be given.

Lol. In your head maybe. Fines are based

No, just no.

I can't even be bothered to correct you on how fines are done. Magistrates can't just drum up a figure there are guidelines. They have to stay within them.

Doesn't matter if you are a millionaire or piss poor, say you assault someone your fine will be within the guidelines.

You don't go to custody because you are wealthy, quite the opposite in reality. If you are wealthy you pay the fine, and move on, if you are homeless, and can't pay the fine, you then get a court summons eventually to pay the fine, and when you don't pay and say your are on licence you can end up in custody for failure to pay. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Thumbs...
Fines are based on a) offence and b)
income. Nothing to do with how much the public support you or how much you get raise on crowdfunder or democracythree

Fines are intended as punishment and are set based on the severity of the offence and means to pay. If there's a big chunk of money sat there to pay the fine then it will either be set higher to ensure punishment or a different sentence will be given. If the court is not made aware of this money the defendent may face further charges should it come to light

Ah, so you're saying she will receive a harsher sentence because of the actions of other people she doesn't even know. That doesn't sound right does it. Think about it.

Still waiting for your actual evidence. Your thoughts, identifying as evidence, doesn't count.

Thanks

I can't even be bothered to correct you on how fines are done. Magistrates can't just drum up a figure there are guidelines. They have to stay within them.

Yes and those guidelines are based on severity of the offence and ability to pay.

Sorry, quote fails on the phone app, but you can guess who I'm talking to 🤣

@barleybadminton

I can't even be bothered to correct you on how fines are done. Magistrates can't just drum up a figure there are guidelines. They have to stay within them.

Yes and those guidelines are based on severity of the offence and ability to pay.

Sigh.

Ability to pay is based on salary. Not successful fundraisers.

Seriously you can google this stuff in seconds, it's not difficult.

It never fails to impress me, the huge range of subjects and specialties which Barley has mastered. (Mastered in its generic, not sexed sense, obviously. Perish the thought.) A week or so they had decades of experience of safeguarding at an extremely senior level, and now here they are offering expert opinion on sentencing protocols. Earlier in the thread they even offered a quote for specialist cleaning services.. Is there no end to their (soi-disant) talents...

It never fails to impress me, the huge range of subjects and specialties which Barley has mastered

Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Earlier in the thread they even offered a quote for specialist cleaning services.. Is there no end to their (soi-disant) talents...

🤣

Tbf to barley it must be incredibly frustrating to come onto a website thinking it's full of mummies who knowledge doesn't extend much beyond Peppa pig and find that it's populated with well educated, well-informed, well-off professional women who know far more.

They do try though and deserve a pat on the back for effort!

@barleybadminton

I can't even be bothered to correct you on how fines are done. Magistrates can't just drum up a figure there are guidelines. They have to stay within them.

Yes and those guidelines are based on severity of the offence and ability to pay.

Yes and her income calculations will be based on the offenders actual income from employment and or "benefits income" not even savings.

Even a band F fine with a 10% reduction on say £1600 per month income will still only max out at circa £2500.

A crowdfunding page will have no bearing whatsoever on the actual fine.

Now they may calculate compensation in to it, but as there's no "individual" to compensate, local authority doesn't count, and neither do business she's unlikely should she be found guilty to have compensation added in to the fine.

And even compensations are low. E.g I was assaulted by a male who broke my occipital lobe...I received £50 compensation 🤨