Why am I not surprised?

[FatFucker]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382291/Did-Hertfordshire-Police-force-break-uniform-code-transgender-trailblazer.html

One rule for women and another for transgender women.

Having long green nails and heavy makeup, breaches Hertfordshire Police Forces uniform policy, unless of course you're trans! Then you can do what you like to "feel like a woman".

And again - really would never.
Pretty not envy that that's where people immediately think that's what I was referring to.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

And yes, you were on the thread where we discussed that. I have a memory, even if you haven't. Ok, I think you've definitely got me mixed up with someone else now as I know I wasnt on a thread about that.

There you go!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4335145-Gay-man-bullied-off-Manchester-Pride-for-wearing-LGB-Alliance-hat-and-t-shirt?msgid=110495502#110495502

to tell posters off about being judgemental about a womans make up
That was the whole point though - that nobody is discussing other women's make up, that's reserved especially for trans women.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

to tell posters off about being judgemental about a womans make up That was the whole point though - that nobody is discussing other women's make up, that's reserved especially for trans women.

You were.

That’s the whole point.

That's a thread about a gay man and his hat!
Not one about someone called Jane Fae like was claimed.
As I knew I hadn't been on that one if there was one.
What, so I'm supposed to remember and see every single post about something unrelated to the thread and title just in case several months down the line someone says '' it was mentioned on this post, why don't you remember?
Ridiculous.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

to tell posters off about being judgemental about a womans make up That was the whole point though - that nobody is discussing other women's make up, that's reserved especially for trans women.

No the point which you are deliberately refusing to acknowledge is the fact that there are Dress Code Rules and these are not being applied to one particular officer. It doesn't matter whether or not you care about make up wearing or non make up wearing, it matters only that for that profession there are rules, rules everyone should abide by, no exceptions, no ifs, no buts, no maybes.

You can't or won't provide any evidence to the contrary that this particular officer is not being given special treatment.

In your desperate attempt to protect your sacred caste whom you believe can do no wrong all you do is highlight your own prejudices and confirm that in your view TW do not have to abide by any of the same rules and restrictions a woman in the same role has to.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

to tell posters off about being judgemental about a womans make up That was the whole point though - that nobody is discussing other women's make up, that's reserved especially for trans women.

You have yet to provide an example of a Herts Policewoman flouting the make up rules.

Again it's not about make up it's about the unfairness in applying the rules. But keep swerving.

And as usual, you don't read what people type, and just go off half-cocked, high on your own righteousness

this is so true

believing so strongly that you are right means you don't have to read what other people say, and you sure as hell don't have to imagine what it might be like as a woman prisoner locked up in a cell with a male rapist eh?

it can also lead to you doing bloody stupid things like

1. implying wearing fake tan is some sort of failing
2. assuming someone's skin is dark because they are wearing fake tan

good heavens!

You were
Yes, I know.
To say it's not OK to police a trans women's make up or any women's but people only have a problem about it when it comes to trans women and what they're wearing.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

to tell posters off about being judgemental about a womans make up That was the whole point though - that nobody is discussing other women's make up, that's reserved especially for trans women.

god give me strength

@NoNotMeNoSiree

do you think red or green are neutral nail colours?

you seem to struggle to see some posts

@NoNotMeNoSiree

You were Yes, I know. To say it's not OK to police a trans women's make up or any women's but people only have a problem about it when it comes to trans women and what they're wearing.

lucky no one here was policing anyone's make up then

the discussion is about the way make up rules seem to apply differently to men and women

perhaps some sort of interpretive dance would help you?

@NoNotMeNoSiree

You were Yes, I know. To say it's not OK to police a trans women's make up or any women's but people only have a problem about it when it comes to trans women and what they're wearing.

Once again as you seem to be either lacking in comprehension skills or being deliberately obtuse:

The issue is not make up, the issue is adherence to the rules in place regarding make up and nails

and you sure as hell don't have to imagine what it might be like as a woman prisoner locked up in a cell with a male rapist eh?
What has that got to do with the thread?!
It's about make up being applied and whether it's fair for trans women to be allowed to wear a bright shade of lipstick or whatever whereas other women apparently aren't allowed as bright a colour.
How do prisons come into it?
Unless you mean be wary of all trans women because, trans?

@NoNotMeNoSiree

That's a thread about a gay man and his hat! Not one about someone called Jane Fae like was claimed. As I knew I hadn't been on that one if there was one. What, so I'm supposed to remember and see every single post about something unrelated to the thread and title just in case several months down the line someone says '' it was mentioned on this post, why don't you remember? Ridiculous.

Is that because you're too close-minded to bother reading subsequent posts? Because someone making fun of a mixed-race woman for her skin colour is very memorable. What kind of person would forget someone doing that? Especially a person from the side with which they ally themselves.

I certainly remember you ignoring direct questions on that thread... hmm. It all comes together now.

NoNotMe seems to believe both that TW are women and should be treated exactly like women, and that TW require special treatment above that which is given to women.

Cognitive dissonance 101.

And around we go, again.

This is about the unequal application of a professional dress code for that particular police force. Allowing a male to wear heavier make up and non-nuetral colours when a female can not wear the same.

Again, please post links to those female police officers that are wearing non-neutral colours.

And the link purgatory posted is anchored to the post about jane Fae making the same judgement call on a woman’s skin colour. Although Fae is slightly more mocking in their judgement.

It's about make up being applied and whether it's fair for trans women to be allowed to wear a bright shade of lipstick or whatever whereas other women apparently aren't allowed as bright a colour.

Is the penny finally dropping? You've finally realised what the discussion is about? Not just lipstick but nails and all make-up. Now, perhaps you could tell us why you believe transwomen should not adhere to the same rules as women?

Because someone making fun of a mixed-race woman for her skin colour is very memorable
Yes, it is but only if it's a post you've seen in the first place!
You'd be fibbing if you said that you saw every single comment on long threads.
Some get missed

@NoNotMeNoSiree

and you sure as hell don't have to imagine what it might be like as a woman prisoner locked up in a cell with a male rapist eh? What has that got to do with the thread?! It's about make up being applied and whether it's fair for trans women to be allowed to wear a bright shade of lipstick or whatever whereas other women apparently aren't allowed as bright a colour. How do prisons come into it? Unless you mean be wary of all trans women because, trans?

Hey! you can see me @NoNotMeNoSiree!

do you think red or green are neutral nail colours?

??

I'm all ears

perhaps some sort of interpretive dance would help you?

There would be a lot of wriggling and twisting in it 😬

Anyway, back to the issue at hand: do the rules apply to everyone equally or not?

I'm all ears

No, you're not.
You make that perfectly clear when you manage to try and make the thread about male rapists and prisons when it's about a trans woman and make up.

This thread has been an education in just how far a TWAW ally will go to defend their favoured caste.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

I'm all ears No, you're not. You make that perfectly clear when you manage to try and make the thread about male rapists and prisons when it's about a trans woman and make up.

hey, hey @NoNotMeNoSiree

do you think red or green are neutral nail colours?

??

What has that got to do with the thread?!
It's about make up being applied and whether it's fair for trans women to be allowed to wear a bright shade of lipstick or whatever whereas other women apparently aren't allowed as bright a colour.

Right.

It seems you DO understand the inequality we are describing. Despite your continued obstinance in acknowledging that is what we are discussing.

Despite your continued twisting on this thread to make it all about hatred of trans people.

I think you might need to address your prejudiced view on this mn board Siree, because it is very much impinging on your ability to conduct a worthwhile and articulate discussion.