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So 20xx: Self ID has passed. What next?

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MiladyBerserko · 07/01/2022 20:38

What happens after the legal definition of woman has changed so that any male can say they are one?

Will this be the end game and what on earth will Stonewall do then?

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AcceptCookies · 07/01/2022 20:41

Maybe women will have to stop doing anything at all womanly, like menstruating, having babies, existing... because it upsets the new order of women?

Rightsraptor · 07/01/2022 20:42

I have no answer to your first question. The thought fills me with dread. Any 'adverse events' will be swept under the nearest carpet and we'll be silenced even more.

As to Stonewall, one can only hope they'll do the decent thing and shut up shop. They won't though. They'll find another group to victimise.

Linguini · 07/01/2022 20:57

They are currently fucking up all the rights they were part of helping to create, like the right for people who menstruate to love and marry people with a cervix, and basic feminist principles like same sex spaces. They will crack right on with that so that in years down the line they can work on rebuilding and re-implementing those rights in law and society.

They're planning long term. Really long term. Jobs for life all around.

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 21:00

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Toseland · 07/01/2022 21:03

Self ID passed; Women thought ‘fuck this shit then’ and all identified as men on that very day. Men are now fighting for their rights and having to wash their own pants and can’t keep blasted women out of all their spaces. Trans men are taking over the world - bwahaha!

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MiladyBerserko · 07/01/2022 21:25

What would happen to all that funding?

What are the other letters? What about the oppression the Qs?

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ArtemesiaK · 07/01/2022 21:32

I don't know how it will be much different from now. They already seem to have fooled everyone into thinking self ID already exists. Only we women will not be able to object, because it will be law... So depressing... Sorry to be pessimistic, but every time we seem to be making headway something else seems to come up... :(

PermanentTemporary · 07/01/2022 21:37

Does anyone else remember either an interview or an article by Paris Lees - it might have been the interview by Nick Robinson - when Paris said 'it's mostly a paediatric issue now'?

Legal self id for children. I would predict that comes next.

Leafstamp · 07/01/2022 21:45

Great idea for a thread, depressing though it may be!

I guess the logical thing is for Stonewall to move onto the ‘Q+’. I wonder who will be found to be included in this group of people?

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 21:51

On it's way in Ireland.

Looks like 16 year olds can do what they like from this year; there is talk of 12 year olds being Gillick competent.

This in a country where fully grown adults couldn't get the morning after pill until 2001 and it only became available over the counter in 2011. Twenty years ago women had to get permission in writing from their husbands to be sterilised, and only 30 years ago it was almost impossible to buy condoms outside the major cites.

How progressive we have become as a country Hmm

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 21:52

That was in reply to PermanentTemporary and the possibility of legal self-id for children.

bordermidgebite · 07/01/2022 21:52

I see desperation in much commentary today

I have some faith that common sense will prevail

Woodlandwater · 07/01/2022 21:54

We will be in a new era of equality. The pay gap will be eradicated. 'Women' will be equally represented on boards. Records will be broken in women's sport.

What a glorious time it will be Hmm

barleybadminton · 07/01/2022 22:03

@TurquoiseBaubles

It will be like Ireland. More than 10% of the occupants of women's prisons will be male. There will be no protection of sex as a characteristic. Anyone from the age of 16 (or younger) will be able take hormones and have their breasts chopped off, as well as forcing their parents to use their new names and whatever pronouns they have made up that day. All school toilets will be mixed sex; girls will not be allowed to speak about their bodies or their health issues or the violence perpetrated against them.

Everyone will be afraid to speak out because of the backlash. And city centre pubs and clubs will be full of men prancing in and out wearing stereotypically "slutty" clothes and yelling at anyone who looks at them.

In addition, there will be no women's sports.

Stonewall may welll go where the money is. I won't make any suggestions or I would be deleted.

Are there really no women's sports in Ireland anymore? And girls in Ireland are banned from being allowed to speak about their bodies? When did that come in?
TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 23:23

The sports will come in the future. Already in schools self-id means boys can play in girl's teams if they say they are girls. The rest is true already.

Very, very few people in Ireland can speak up. The population is small, so speaking anonymously is difficult. Self-id is law. Cases like Maya's would not win in Irish courts.

FlyingOink · 08/01/2022 01:31

TurquoiseBaubles please tell me if you find this offensive, but I've always considered Ireland particularly misogynistic.

I mean, other developed countries have had some awful laws and practices, but the mother and baby homes, the laundries, the domestic violence, and symphysiotomy/pubiotomy to ensure women could deliver ten babies and never mind that they can't walk and are incontinent...

Have I got the wrong end of the stick, is my view unfair? Or is Ireland really just that misogynistic? Italy is also very Catholic but legalised abortion in the seventies, for example.

I'm not saying this to be rude, just to see if there's a link to the political support for self-id. Argentina is very misogynistic and has self-id. Malta likewise.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 01:58

It is misogynsitic.

I didn't notice when I was younger. I thought it was young vs old. All us youngsters campaigning for and voting for divorce, abortion, gay marriage and all the old fogies voting against. But I've realised recently that at least some of the old fogies saw what was happening with the "gender wars", some at least were worried by the takeover of the abortion campaign by the self-id lot etc.

The mother and baby homes are a scandal. But the popular view is to blame the church, but it's important to remember it was families who put the girls in the laundries; if families had been supportive they wouldn't have been there. The orphanages were appalling - but they picked up the pieces when families wouldn't. Families threw girls out; they disowned illegitimate children, they literally left their daughters and grandchildren to starve. In many cases the convents who are now being blamed for everything actually picked up the pieces. They treated the mothers appallingly. In some cases the actually sold the babies. But they enabled them to survive when wider society would have been happy to see them die.

Ireland has a very strange relationship with morality. It's easy for the government to go with self-id. That takes no courage, no decision making. The only people disadvantaged are those who have always been disadvantage and thus have no voice (or at least not one that will be listened to).

Irish society blames the Catholic Church for the laundries, but it wasn't the church's fault, it was society's - and I'm still fucking furious about it. And the new young "feminists" who are so woke their brains have fallen out are too fixated on rejecting the "west-brit" GC UK feminists they can't (or won't) see what is in front of their noses.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 01:58

Jaysus, that was an essay Blush sorry.

FlyingOink · 08/01/2022 02:03

@TurquoiseBaubles

Jaysus, that was an essay Blush sorry.
Thank you for writing it. With regard to the orphanages etc I was a bit shocked (naïve I know) that there seemed to be not even a slight bit of public distain towards the various men who'd fathered these children. I won't derail any further but I appreciate your views.
LightningJenny · 08/01/2022 15:42

It will almost certainly be something to do with children.

Demanding compulsory therapy sessions for pre-school kids to be certain of their 'gender identity' before starting education, or similar?

PonyPatter44 · 08/01/2022 15:47

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Artichokeleaves · 08/01/2022 16:14

Well by the time they're done, if somehow they manage to force this through against all sense, sanity and half the voters in the country being female....

the actually oppressed group desperately in need of fighting for, to gain equality in law, and access to public spaces, and awareness raising for violence and murder, and proper awareness raising and representation in schools, and representation in all industries, workplaces and government - will be females.

All those needs exist right now, but Stonewall will have made it all much, much worse. So there's a huge crusade waiting there for them, but since its an actually oppressed group there's no money in it and no one will bother with it.

Which won't suit Stonewall as they, along with most big charities, are mostly about keeping the band wagon and highly expensive top jobs and nice offices and work lifestyle rolling. So they'll look for something that has a lot of money behind it.

ArabellaScott · 08/01/2022 17:20

Scotland had Magdalene Institutes/laundries.

ArabellaScott · 08/01/2022 17:24

Children. Will be taught they can choose their sex according to clothes/toys preference. They will fill in gender surveys and be assigned neo genders and choose which body parts they would prefer to have on a tick list. Said parts will be provided on the NHS which will have been privatised by then and will welcome the additional income.

Women will organise underground, in secret, will set up a whole new network of survivors' support groups, of women-only groups that operate on the darkweb where males can't find them.

Many issues will escalate as barriers and boundaries are removed.

Signalbox · 08/01/2022 17:33

@MiladyBerserko

What happens after the legal definition of woman has changed so that any male can say they are one?

Will this be the end game and what on earth will Stonewall do then?

Next they will lobby to have "gender reassignment" replaced with "gender identity" in the Equality Act.

They will probably also want the exceptions removed from the EA so that women are no longer entitled to any space or service separate from men.