@FlyingOink
Empress's nonsense about transmen who take or have taken blockers have big thick manly bones when we know that was an out and out lie.
But that’s not what I said. I said transmen who took blockers and then went on to have hormone therapy to transition develop bone configurations, robustness and density that are more male biologically than female. They do not lose bone density like transwomen do, they maintain or gain bone density and depending on the testosterone and physical activity, their bone mass abs robustness will be greater than that of a typical adult female.
Those saying this is nonsense have not understood the study I posted as they have misquoted sections out of context...eg the further research section will always say “more long term study needed”...but that doesn’t erase the results of the study itself.
Please note these are the posters claimed that transmen who took blockers had “crumbling spines” and a loss in bone density which is the true nonsense.
“Prior to the initiation of GAHT, a study of 23 trans men and 23 control women showed similar areal BMD, trabecular, and cortical vBMD by QCT and bone turnover markers despite higher rates of smoking and lower vitamin D levels in the trans men [39].” (Bone density maintained)
Even before hormone therapy, puberty blockers for transmen resulted in no bone density loss:
“Another study of 16 trans men prior to hormonal treatment were compared to age-matched cis women and again DXA and body composition measures were similar, as was reported physical activity [40].” zero bone density loss
Gains in bone health come after hormone therapy....as I said...
“After 1 year of treatment with testosterone, undecanoate therapy in 23 trans men mentioned above, bone formation and resorption markers both increased; however, aBMD measures did not change significantly [39].” increase bone health, zero bone density loss
“An early study of 15 trans men showed a 7.8% increase in BMD at the femoral neck but no change at the spine over 2 years. One-third had undergone oophorectomy. The findings were similar among the testosterone-naïve patients as well as those previously treated [41].”
bone density increase
“A larger study of 199 trans men studied at baseline and then 1 year after testosterone treatment showed statistically significant increases in the total hip BMD (+ 1.04%, 95% CI 0.64–1.44%, p < 0.001) but not the femoral neck.” bone density increase
“A 2017 meta-analysis examining 247 trans men showed no significant difference seen in BMD at 12 and 24 months compared with baseline prior to hormone initiation at the at the lumbar spine, femoral neck, or total femur [38]” zero bone density loss
“Recently, 10-year data was published on a group of 543 trans men followed with serial DXA [35] (Fig. 3C). Again, low BMD was not seen at the start in trans men with overall Z-scores of 0.01 ± 1.14 g/cm2 although 4.3% of subjects had low BMD for age (defined as Z-score < −2.0). In the group that had DXA repeated at 10 years (n = 70), BMD was similar but L-spine Z-score had increased by 0.34.”
increased bone health, zero bone density loss
“Although the overall increases in BMD in trans men are not significant across studies, it is reassuring that there is not a decline in BMD”
“This may relate to some the effects of testosterone on body composition as well as direct effects on the bone. Several studies have reported body composition changes with testosterone that include an increase in muscle mass and decrease in fat mass.”
“A study of 50 Belgian trans men (aged 37 ± 8 years) treated with testosterone for an average of 9 years after GAS were compared to 50 cis women (aged 38 ± 8 years) [40]. The trans men had 9% more lean body mass and almost 30% lower fat mass with a higher waist:hip ratio and higher grip strength [40]....”
As I said, the bone size or robustness increases:
“Statistical models were used to compare trans men before and after GAHT with female controls and found a positive association with bone size and endosteal circumference at the radius even after adjusting for grip strength suggesting a direct effect of testosterone on the bone (p = 0.003) ”
Again all from the same study I posted.