I listened to the interview with Debbie.
She was really good. I have praised kellie to the rafters at the beginning of the thread and attribute a lot of her power to being gorgeous. And of course, Debbie is trans so someone like James would dare not suggest she might be transphobic or she may need to be cancelled for her views, would he?
I also like Debbie's no nonsense tone. You can tell she is a teacher.
But I understand kellie has no time for Debbie and really don't understand why.