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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gaun yersel' JKR!

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JakeyRolling · 12/12/2021 18:53

Another post from our favourite feminist

Gaun yersel' JKR!
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AllotmentTime · 13/12/2021 15:38

I don’t get why TRAs see this as a victory. Seems to hurt them more than help.

If all rapists are recorded as male then there’s no separating out those who are identifying as women. That would give no statistics to analyse in terms of how many rapists might be abusing self-ID provision. For a community which wants to portray its members as victims and disown abusers, it seems like a bit of an own goal.

loislovesstewie · 13/12/2021 15:42

@MargaritaPie

"Well we’re not allowed to say ‘man’ when they identify as a woman, are we"

Is it really too much for JK Rowling and others to use the term transwomen? Even if she has differing views, just out of respect and to be polite?

I'm supposed to 'respect' a rapist am I?
TheWeeDonkey · 13/12/2021 15:58

@2319inprogress

I believe MargaritaPie is serious.

When people show you who they are believe them...

Our friend from PIE keeps showing us exactly who they are and why they like to hang around FWR.
brokendark · 13/12/2021 16:00

Just read some of the replies. One of the (many) disgusting and disturbing aspects of those supporting this genderist ideology, and I have had this from real life friends, is that they feel the need to try to break the, undeniable, link between maleness and sexual violence. Nearly all sexual assaults are committed by men and the majority of those assaults are against women.
Yet they try to argue that ' women assault to - stop making this a male violence thing!' They are in the same weird realm of non-evidence based thinking as ' my uncle bob smoked 30 a day and lived to be 95 so cigarettes don't kill you.'

And of course they are claiming JKR is saying TW are rapists when she clearly has not.

Its as if they don't actually have a counter argument to what JK actually said, so have to make up shit about what she said so they can argue against that instead.

brokendark · 13/12/2021 16:05

And of course non of the twitter responders have any arguments - its just all ' you are soooo hateful and sooo mean'.

When I first stumbled across this whole debate years ago, I read the GC arguments then I went out to find the genderists arguments so that I could make up my mind having heard and understood both side, but the genderist side was just name calling and accusations of 'hate hate' with nothing to back that up. They claimed GC women were saying things they weren't. So it didn't really take long to make up my mind. One side had reasonable and coherent arguments based on a firm evidence base, the other had name calling and wild mud slinging.

Citadel · 13/12/2021 16:25

Probably a coincidence, but it was gratifying to see this posted onto the Duchess of Cornwall's Reading Room Instagram this afternoon...right when JKR has been trending on Twitter all day...Smile

Gaun yersel' JKR!
SheldonesqueTheBstard · 13/12/2021 16:42

☺️

Omicrone · 13/12/2021 16:50

So much tantrumming on Twitter right now, but no one actually explaining why we should be referring to male rapists as women?

One person slagging her off because its 'so obvious she lifted this from 1984' - nothing gets past these people 🤣🤣🤣

SolasAnla · 13/12/2021 16:55

@Citadel

Probably a coincidence, but it was gratifying to see this posted onto the Duchess of Cornwall's Reading Room Instagram this afternoon...right when JKR has been trending on Twitter all day...Smile
That sounds like Granddad is looking for proper socks off the grandchildren this year.🎁

Subtle hints🎄😉

user7514254 · 13/12/2021 16:58

@MargaritaPie

"Well we’re not allowed to say ‘man’ when they identify as a woman, are we"

Is it really too much for JK Rowling and others to use the term transwomen? Even if she has differing views, just out of respect and to be polite?

Polite to the rapist? No one is insulting here. It’s describing a perpetrator.
RepentMotherfucker · 13/12/2021 17:01

One person slagging her off because its 'so obvious she lifted this from 1984' - nothing gets past these people

That's so funny! 🤣🤣

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 13/12/2021 17:02

@RepentMotherfucker

One person slagging her off because its 'so obvious she lifted this from 1984' - nothing gets past these people

That's so funny! 🤣🤣

Good lord. Could anyone be that stupid?
Charley50 · 13/12/2021 17:06

@RepentMotherfucker

Jinx! Padlock one two three. Only I can set you free.
😂😂😂 took me right back to schooldays
Omicrone · 13/12/2021 17:23

Just looked again and turns out I was paraphrasing but.....how can these people be so dim and yet think they are so clever?!

Gaun yersel' JKR!
FlibbertyGiblets · 13/12/2021 17:23

SHUDDER because I see (about Margarita) the penny has dropped. PIE.

BraveBananaBadge · 13/12/2021 17:25

@Omicrone

So much tantrumming on Twitter right now, but no one actually explaining why we should be referring to male rapists as women?

One person slagging her off because its 'so obvious she lifted this from 1984' - nothing gets past these people 🤣🤣🤣

I see I wasn't alone in unfollowing Seth Abramson after his bizarre little rant.
FlibbertyGiblets · 13/12/2021 17:26

yy omicrone.

SpinnersWindow · 13/12/2021 17:32

PIE (vom) indeedy

RepentMotherfucker · 13/12/2021 17:46

@Omicrone

Just looked again and turns out I was paraphrasing but.....how can these people be so dim and yet think they are so clever?!
No I think you had it spot on. And that that person thinks they are clever because they spotted it. Which makes it even better tbh Grin
PineappleCakes · 13/12/2021 17:51

I had to google, normally I like pies... shepherd's, cottage, cherry pies with damn fine coffee
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 13/12/2021 17:57

[quote PineappleCakes]I had to google, normally I like pies... shepherd's, cottage, cherry pies with damn fine coffee
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378[/quote]
PIE also equals Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE).

TheWeeDonkey · 13/12/2021 18:27

@brokendark

And of course non of the twitter responders have any arguments - its just all ' you are soooo hateful and sooo mean'.

When I first stumbled across this whole debate years ago, I read the GC arguments then I went out to find the genderists arguments so that I could make up my mind having heard and understood both side, but the genderist side was just name calling and accusations of 'hate hate' with nothing to back that up. They claimed GC women were saying things they weren't. So it didn't really take long to make up my mind. One side had reasonable and coherent arguments based on a firm evidence base, the other had name calling and wild mud slinging.

I love it when they tell us to go educate ourselves and we do. Grin
WarOnWoman · 13/12/2021 18:47

It's probably been said before on here before but I am always slightly taken by surprise how many blue ticked men come on JKR's thread to scold her. Love the responses to them though, they get their own arse kicked.

PineappleCakes · 13/12/2021 18:49

Yes @AlfonsoTheUnrepentant, the BBC link I posted was to an article about PIE :( Apologies for my obscurity.

YouSetTheTone · 13/12/2021 18:52

‘No. Rape is rape if it involves penetration by a penis, regardless of someone's (real or faux) 'identity' , and regardless of the sex of the victim. It's a specifically male crime in the U.K., but the victims are men as well as women (I can't remember the proportion but I think it's a not insignificant minority of cases)’
Thanks for your reply @ErrolTheDragon (sorry, it wouldn’t let me quote the whole post).

I’d expressed myself badly, wondering about a hypothetical situation in court with a rapist who was a man identifying as a woman, and whether I (hypothetical victim) would be able to identify as a man in return. Whether this would change the charge because the sex of both the rapist and victim have been flipped. But I can see from your reply that no it doesn’t.

But surely at some point in court it has to be made clear, given that rape can only be perpetrated by a man, then the accused is a man. I mean you can’t have a prosecution based on a crime only perpetrated by one sex without acknowledging that… can you?
Otherwise you’ve got a ‘woman’ in there for a crime they can’t commit, in which case surely there’s an argument the whole charge can get thrown out?
Sorry if I’m being dim. I just don’t understand how the police recording the crime as by a woman can actually get carried all the way through the courts without it being established that the sex of the accused is male.

(Would there be any psychological advantage for the female victim to insist on being referred to as a man I wonder? Perhaps distancing oneself from the trauma, and/ or taking back some control by forcing everyone to also refer to you as the opposite sex, not just the rapist.
Anyone listening to a barrister questioning about ‘his’ sexual history and/ or ‘his’ foolish decision to dare go into a bar/ agree to go on a date/ etc might be struck by how it jars when the questions involve a male pronoun not a female one…)

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