Gaun yersel' JKR!

[JakeyRolling]

Another post from our favourite feminist

I❤️JKR

And it was a wonderfully enlightening post from margaritapie. It really seems like their job here on this thread is done.

Runningupthecurtains
How long until someone is convicted on evidence that refers to 'her' and 'she' then appeal because they are actually male?

The appeal would fail on the basis of the rapist is the one controlling the witness statements.
The main witness, the ones who survive the sexual assault, are forced to agree to the perjury before it goes to Court.

The accused gets to determine how the Courts instruct the prosecution and all the witnesses.
The witness could be jailed for contempt of Court if the instruction is not followed.

The appeal argument could be that it prejudiced the jury but as it was a defence decision to force the use of female words I doubt the Court of appeal would take notice.

What is happening are the claim that the Prison Service is not suitable.
That the lengthy of the sentence did not take their special circumstance into account.
That their confusion made them sexually assault someone without the confusion they would be model citizens.

I am beginning to like the term "penis person" or PP, for short.

@2319inprogress

Yes the numbers keep ticking up ErrolTheDragon but often you go back & find that your "like" has slipped & you need to re-like. Has only happened for me with JKR's tweets & I know others have found the same - always makes me wonder if the true numbers are far higher

Yes, same here - I'm not on Twitter anymore but when I was my likes on JKR's tweets always disappeared. I used to make a point of going to check every couple of days and more often than not I'd have to relike tweets. Sometimes the like button didn't register either.

@MargaritaPie

"Well we’re not allowed to say ‘man’ when they identify as a woman, are we"

Is it really too much for JK Rowling and others to use the term transwomen? Even if she has differing views, just out of respect and to be polite?

I'm not sure trans women is appropriate here as we have no idea how the people who committed the crimes identify, it could be solely cis men, it could be trans women, non binary or likely a combination. I think in this case as the offence is rape which in the uk requires a penis it is quite literally individuals wirh penises that are being referred to

God I flippin love her. It's like she's past the point of being frightened or intimidated into keeping her head down.

Bloody hell I bet Twatter is frothing more than my dodgy washing machine now though

Actually I think it's ok if some of us don't want to go on SM and put our voices in. There are many other ways we can all push back, just as long as we are. SM is a pretty toxic place these days and quite frankly, some of the opposing voices are so hysterical, and past reason they will never, ever engage in real debate never mind consider the GC view.

@SolasAnia
It all seems very legally messy - this perjury is good, all other perjury is bad. Any conviction where there is found to be perjury is unsafe unless it's special 'lady feelz' perjury. The whole bloody concept has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese and is setting terrible precedents, it's such a mess. How have we come to a point where the judicial system is prepared to force people to into perjury in order to panda to (sorry to the minority of trans people with gender dysphoria) people with AGP who are getting a kick from this and downright bloody liers who see an opportunity to do easier time, access vulnerable women or just plain game the system?

You know the phrase “there’s no such thing as a stupid question”?

Never is it less true than when certain posters take to the interwebs to share their musings 🤣

Come on Marge, time to unmask yourself as a secret GC double agent, you’ve taken it too far now!

All the love for JKR 😍 you can’t burn that witch. Haha.

Plus anyone who is ignorant of where the quotes come from (like MargaritaPie is, apparently) might go and find out. Which could be rather enlightening.

Bloody hell I bet Twatter is frothing more than my dodgy washing machine now though

You'd be correct!

They are now saying that she denies that women can be rapists. I'm guessing these people are Americans.

@QueenSue

They are now saying that she denies that women can be rapists. I'm guessing these people are Americans.

Yes, the usual 'overnight' (relative to UTC) crop of transatlantic people ignorant of the laws of the various parts of the U.K.

It's also a completely irrelevant sidetrack to the point. JKR is specifically referring to people who have a penis. Men, and non-surgically transitioned transwomen/nonbinaries (not sure if any

Sorry, hit post by mistake there instead of delete...Nonbinaries also not relevant to this specific discussion as they don't claim to be women.

@RedToothBrush

Is it really too much for JK Rowling and others to use the term transwomen? Even if she has differing views, just out of respect and to be polite?

She quoted Orwell's 1984. The entire point of her tweet was that we are being controlled by compelled speech which obliterates the truth and disempowers us in the process.

Reading through this thread there seem to be a few posters unaware of the origins of
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength

1984 is about state abuse of power, propaganda and censorship which leads to the harrowing torture and crushing of the public at large who, because language has been rendered twisted are no longer able to express or highlight what is happening to them.

Being told she should just be polite is just another example of the same thing where we can't just speak the truth through fear of being cancelled or condemned.

All you do with ignorant comments like that is illustrate and prove her point.

I didn’t know this

Thanks for this. Gaun yoursel hen. Love it

@Runningupthecurtains
the State is acting in the common good and the victim is "only" a witness.

The "problem" is that the accused is just that.
Innocent but accused of the crime and remains that way until the jury/judge convict in the basis of evidence presented.

If the crime is a property or non-voilent personal crime asking the witnesses to use the person's name and a specific sex pronoun is not going to be a controversial act. If the words used are not material to the crime the accused is charged with there is no bias or influencing perjury.

Respecting "innocent until proven guilty" is a foundation stone of the justice system. So a request flowing through the system on that basis is a "good" or "neutral" position.

It always going to be different when it comes to violent personal crimes as the main witness is the victim recounting their memory of the events. Forcing the witness to change their testimony in such a fundamental way should always be rejected by the Court.
But when it comes to a clash of rights the accused trumps the witness as in theory the accused has much more to loose on a guilty outcome than the witness.

Scottish police logging male sex crimes as female crimes shows a level of contempt for the reason the data is collected and classified.

Scotland was also where there was as a row over using gender instead of sex for sex crimes legislation. The witness would be given the option to control who carried out the evidence collection exam. The argument was it did not matter if gender was used. So a State medical examiner (wrong sex right gender) would lie to the witness to carry out a intimate examination and subsequently testify to the non-consensual acts in Court to convict an accused of non-consensual acts.
But that would not cause any legal issues either.

@QueenSue

They are now saying that she denies that women can be rapists. I'm guessing these people are Americans.

If this wasn't so sinister, my how we'd laugh at such fucking nonsense

Same old, same old.

Only women have periods = women who don't have periods are not women.

Only women give birth = all women have to have babies.

Everyone should read 1984.

Absolutely.

The world is on its head.

Fascinating to see the trans activist response to this.

The obvious, sensible response, would be to agree with JKR. It would be something like: "Clearly, no trans woman would rape a woman. Trans women are marginalised, gentle souls whose only wish is to go peacefully about their lives as women, doing womanly things and using women's toilets. Therefore these male rapists claiming to be women are liars and should not be allowed to claim trans identity."

Instead, they seem to be absolutely adamant that rapists who claim to be trans women really are women. Those of us who refuse to admit that they're women are bad, bad people - hurtful bigots who hate trans people.

Now clearly the reason for this is that they have backed themselves into a corner: once you insist that anyone who claims to be trans is trans, then that has to include rapists too.

But it doesn't do their cause any good, because once you admit that there's a whole bunch of trans women rapists out there, why on earth would women want to allow them into our toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc?

• QueenSue They are now saying that she denies that women can be rapists. I'm guessing these people are Americans. If this wasn't so sinister, my how we'd laugh at such fucking nonsense *

I've had this argument with folk and it comes down to differences in the legal definition of rape in both sides of the Atlantic.

There any sexual serious assault is rape, here it specifically requires a penis.

The ones I've argued with don't seem to understand that we're not diminishing the emotional impact of a sexual assault by using a "lesser" terminology, but the difference is borne out of the way our legal system has evolved over a far longer period of time and takes account of the potential for pregnancy.

So here women can't be rapists but there they can. They're just so damn Ameri-centric that it doesn't cross their minds there might be a legal difference.

I'm gratified that those commenting on the article are as angry and confused as I am. the absurdity of it! A 'woman with a penis' raping another woman. It's like an inner circle of hell.

@Thanksagainand

CanIPleaseHaveOne Er, what? Have you read the tweet?

Yes, I read the tweet.

My comment was to MPie not JKR.

She's wonderful. I would have been gobsmacked if such an intelligent, caring, generous and liberal woman had not come to the same conclusion as most of us on here have about this ideology but to state it publicly like she has been doing, is awe inspiring.