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Male reporter presenting as male identifies as female & is let into changing rooms

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/12/2021 18:02

I thought given how discussions are going on some other threads it was worth pulling this out of the Zara thread

6ft bearded male presenting reporter says he identifies as female & is let into womens changing rooms.

this is what the issue is. If any man can say he is a woman & get instant access to womens spaces then that is massively open to be abused

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10300295/Bearded-6ft-reporter-let-female-changing-room-stores.html

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Appledrop · 12/12/2021 18:11

My hubby literally just showed me this article. Absolutely disgraceful.

Whingasaurus · 12/12/2021 18:16

Excellent good on the Day Mail all my ultra woke teacher/lecturer/left wing 'feminist' friends are either silent or frantically back tracking. Last year I was quietly uninvited after outing my terfiness this Christmas I'm suddenly OK again

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/12/2021 18:25

This is of course what women have said will happen all along. Just as Lia Penn - the Pennsylvania Uni transwoman swimmer currently trashing all the women's swimming records is demonstrating what women said will happen to women's sport. As well as the many many thousands of children deciding (in primary and secondary schools) that they must be trans - demonstrating yet again what women have said about the impact of social contagion on young children. And on it goes.
Women's rights and child safeguarding being dismantled in front of our eyes Sad

RestingStitchFace · 12/12/2021 18:38

I've fallen into some weird alternate universe where the Daily Mail has become the voice of reason. Wtf...

CatherinaJTV · 12/12/2021 18:41

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.

teawamutu · 12/12/2021 18:44

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
This has been one of the main points all along.

There's no way to tell until it all goes wrong.

Whingasaurus · 12/12/2021 18:47

CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
Transwomen are men

Phobiaphobic · 12/12/2021 18:49

@RestingStitchFace

I've fallen into some weird alternate universe where the Daily Mail has become the voice of reason. Wtf...
IKR?
Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/12/2021 18:50

How wld we tell the difference between a bloke on the wind up and a male presenting TW? (After all we know that one doesn’t have to present as female to be a TW)

Male reporter presenting as male identifies as female & is let into changing rooms
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Artichokeleaves · 12/12/2021 18:50

It proves the point. Males now have free access to women's spaces, regardless of agenda or purpose or internal sense of identity. No gatekeeping is possible. So males now have two spaces. Females are allowed to use one of the male owned spaces if they're able to. If they're not - well it sucks to be born female.

The point of a journalist demonstrating it is very likely to make clear to the general public the actual reality in spite of all the fluffy codswallop it was sold on, the absolute bloody lunacy and the sexism of it all. And that the group who pushed this through for their own agenda really could not care in the slightest about females and have no interest in their inclusion, equality or needs.

titchy · 12/12/2021 18:51

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
Well yes exactly. How do we women tell the difference?
Artichokeleaves · 12/12/2021 18:52

Incidentally did you check that the individual in question actually politically agrees with and identifies as 'cis' and 'man' or did you just apply those oppressive labels and quite possibly misgender the person in question?

Whingasaurus · 12/12/2021 18:53

He's a journalist making a very valid point. A point women aren't allowed to make in this new world. Men, investigative journist or predators, can exploit the new normal. Their intention may be investigative or nefarious the point is very well made.

Artichokeleaves · 12/12/2021 18:53

And also incidentally - not stirring the shit does not disappear the shit. It certainly will not make it any less shit for females.

Thegreencup · 12/12/2021 18:54

Woman says this happened last week, no one believes her.

Male journalist reports the same thing. It is suddenly now true. FFS.

Staryflight445 · 12/12/2021 18:55

He isn’t trans, he just said it to see how many shops would allow him access?

It’s worrying isn’t it, since there is also no attempt to look ‘female’ from him.

Gottasinggottadance · 12/12/2021 18:56

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
Men will exploit self ID so how do we safeguard women?
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/12/2021 18:56

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
You've cracked it! Well done. [star[

Men, i.e. adult human males, and older boys, i.e. older juvenile males, are indeed the problem. For reasons nobody has yet fully explained (nature or nurture or both?) almost all sexual violence is committed by males. Most non-sexual violence is also committed by males. Females have their own issues, but as we are less physically strong than post-pubertal males, we are particularly vulnerable to this male violence - we can't fight back as effectively as males can.

We also have a particular need for privacy because of the bodily functions that are only found in post-pubertal females, i.e. menstruation, pregnancy, miscarriage, birth, breastfeeding, menopause.

Haven't read this Daily Mail article but good on them for pointing out that manipulative and dishonest males can easily take advantage of these well-meaning but naive policies. And guess what! Most sexual predators are extremely accomplished liars and manipulative too! Whodathunkit. Clearly not the senior management of most of these big retailers who get most of their profits from female customers. Hmm

Chilver · 12/12/2021 18:57

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
Exactly, how are we supposed to tell the difference when in a vulnerable state in a vulnerable space?
Deliriumoftheendless · 12/12/2021 18:58

Who has pushed for this though?

Men who ID as men?

No.

Rightsraptor · 12/12/2021 19:03

1000 comments, most of them not happy this is happening.

@CatherinaJTV: you haven't been paying attention. We've been saying all along that it's the male that's the problem not the trans. Since humans can't change sex TW remain, as males, a statistical risk to women.

If you let just anybody in then just anybody will come in.

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/12/2021 19:03

This is why it pisses me off when people say ''no man or predator is going to put in so much effort and pretend to be a woman just to gain access to women's spaces, silly''.

They don't have to go through anything, or make any effort at all, that's our fucking point Hmm

Predators can easily exploit this ''anyone is whoever they say they are, get over it'' bollocks. All they have to do is say the magic words, and safeguarding and common sense goes out the bloody window.

SolasAnla · 12/12/2021 19:04

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
Are you being transphobic and demanding that trans males have to "pass" as transwomen?

Want to list some of the things women can use to distinguish between a male identifying as a transwoman and a male faking self identify as a transwoman?

FlyingOink · 12/12/2021 19:05

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
I'm the umpteenth person to quote this, but I have to ask - even if I assumed all "transwomen" were good and honest people not motivated by a fetish or by misogyny or by predatory ideas, how would I allow access to them in a self-identifying way and prevent naughty bad men from gaining access in a self-identifying way?

Even if I wanted to bend over backwards for a cohort known as "transwomen" how could I distinguish them from a cohort known as "men" in a reliable, non-discriminatory and preferably cost free way?

If there's no real way to do this, then the cost of admitting "transwomen" is too high, especially as there is zero benefit for women.

MrsWooster · 12/12/2021 19:12

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.
By George, I think [Cath’s] got it.

Welcome to the right side of history, Catharina.