Male reporter presenting as male identifies as female & is let into changing rooms

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

I thought given how discussions are going on some other threads it was worth pulling this out of the Zara thread

6ft bearded male presenting reporter says he identifies as female & is let into womens changing rooms.

this is what the issue is. If any man can say he is a woman & get instant access to womens spaces then that is massively open to be abused

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10300295/Bearded-6ft-reporter-let-female-changing-room-stores.html

Hey, CatherinaJTV, is it possible that maybe, just maybe, this lot of convicted sexual offenders had ulterior motives for supporting mixed-sex toilets?

I believe there was a lot of footage on pornhub that came from cameras hidden in women's toilets and changing rooms.

Now, what might the kind of man or boy who watches illicitly obtained footage of women and girls undressing do, if he had the opportunity to go in to women's changing rooms?

@CheeseMmmm

Also an observation about how the gender> sex arguments, which change often due to events making the existing argument too obviously wrong/ unpleasant.

The speed that the new arguments get embedded massively widely is incredibly fast!

Poster earlier used new argument that I started seeing maybe few months ago and is now THE argument.

That dodgy/ criminal sex offences are carried out by CIS men.
Women and girls whether cis or trans are targeted.
Therefore excluding males who identify as women/ girls, on the basis of their bodies (trivial, body policing) is cruel.
Trans and cis women and girls should be unified in tackling cis male violence.

Cis men and boys are the issue. TW are victims. These crimes are simply not committed by males who are trans. Anyone who does this is by definition cis.

Interesting to see it on this thread.

Go look at the latest JK Rowling tweet.

Look at who is arguing that women rape too?

Who is suddenly all pro "swerf" and claiming the person was paid to be filmed to preform sex acts on people who's consent was bought is suddenly a "Femnist" and a "feminist champion"?

The person is a woman and prostitute from the pornography industry or as it's now rebranded using "sex work is work" a sex worker in the film industry. The term swerf (sex worker exclusionary radical feminist) is used to condemn those who work to stop the purchase and sale of women, girls, boys and men by people (mainly men) who are buy people for sex. Its one of the last forms of legal human slavery. The majority of the transgender males killed each year are poor prostitutes in places like Brazil, their killers are (mainly) men. But "swerf's" are "bad people" for pointing out a college should not be promoting human slavery as a career option for women.

Anyway which ones are claim that person represents womenhood and that JKR tweet is denying any offence may have occured?

(Scottish law would charge a non-penis male and a female appropriate sexual assault legislation just not the rape one.)

Look at all the counter arguments which are being developed as to why these males are women.

And look at the ones who just use the new word for bitch/cunt/twat (thats: dog/vagina/vigina) as an insult.

The it's men not transwomen who rape is a very old argument. Women have been pointing out that a man saying I am a woman when faced with jail time is a no brainer. But pointing that out was transphobic because it never happens. We have to believe the words are true except when said by rapists.
And anyway the small number of rapists don't matter, it's like the changing rooms a big fuss over nothing. No one cares right?

If any man can say he is a woman & get instant access to womens spaces then that is massively open to be abused

The abuse is allowing any man, however he identifies, into women's space. If you are male then you should use the men's changing room; there are no magic words, clothes, drugs or cosmetic surgeries that change your sex.

Given this journalists actions I think we can be pretty certain he is not cis - he is not a believer of genderism

I'm genuinely surprised Catherina hasn't come back to this thread. They're normally pretty quick to respond. Is it too much to hope that they're finally realising what the issue is? Or maybe busy baking. 🤷‍♀️

Good work by the Daily Mail. I doubt there ever was a strict policing of shop changing rooms to stop all trans people entering, but in the past an obvious man wanting to go in them would have been considered weird and pervy. Now a man wanting to go in the women's changing rooms can be woke, right on and a champion for trans rights.

Sure, the journalist was 'stirring shit'.

But that's one of the valid, useful functions of journalists. They don't make the shit. In this case the shit that needs stirring, to raise a big stink, is that self ID lets any male, for whatever reason have access to the single sex spaces women need.

Trans women like Miranda Yardley quoted in the article, aren't the problem. Miranda has a mature understanding and respect for women's rights.

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.

Yes @CatherinaJTV he is. And isn't it interesting that you can see that in this instance?

Welcome to the Other Side

No danger of cathcoming back to this thread, they’ve accidentally pulled a card out of the base of their house of cards and are frantically racing around trying to stop the whole thing falling over 🤣

Go on, Cath, prove me wrong, there’s a poppet

I'd just like to add my own response to @CatherinaJTV's epic self-own!

Better a man (I won't use the C word) exploiting self ID to shit stir than a man exploiting self ID for voyeuristic purposes and worse.

Yes Fetchez.

I can only assume that Catherina is not saying she would prefer to wait for someone to get harmed first before highlighting the risk.

@CatherinaJTV

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sh*t stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.

No. Next stupid question?

I don’t know how anyone can read those DM comments (trolls)… one man pretty much said that this is what women deserve for asking for the vote??

I think all of this does unmask the truth, that many men do not believe that women have a right to anything of their own, except that which men give them. Whether that’s a vote, equal pay, privacy to get changed…

@Outdoorbeanbags

I don’t know how anyone can read those DM comments (trolls)… one man pretty much said that this is what women deserve for asking for the vote??

The DM comments often attract tedious MRA types. Too stupid to realise the difference between women wanting equal access to domains where sex should be irrelevant, vs the few cases where sex does matter.

Is he one of those cis men who are exploiting selfID to sht stir? Seems men are the problem, rather than trans women.*

Interesting question. You know all those rapists and sex offenders who are currently identifying as trans women? The ones who are referred to as "she" in court and sometimes get lighter sentences because of their struggles with gender dysphoria? Who sometimes even end up in women's jails?

Do you reckon they are genuine trans women, or men who are shit stirring?

Too stupid to realise the difference between women wanting equal access to domains where sex should be irrelevant, vs the few cases where sex does matter.

I would say that thery aren't too stupid... just angry and misogynist. But I have a BIL who is just too fucking stupid, as well as being an angry misogynist. Not known on here, and in my real life for about 35 years, as BoneheadBIL for nothing

I think some posters have misunderstood my posts!

Use of language is appropriate to the context. Obv I wasn't clear enough!

@Helleofabore

And isn’t it far better that a journalist explores this issue and brings it to wide attention before a woman or child is harmed ? Not quite sure what catherina is implying but surely it could not be denying that ALL males commit sex crime at a significantly higher rate to females.

Tell you what catherina, if you are positing that a subset of males are risk free, please provide the supporting statistics.

Otherwise, you are simply endorsing future harm for women and girls and you should own that.

Too late for that unfortunately.

'08:25highame

When someone starts on their transition route, they have to live as their desired sex and one of the things doctors tell them, is to use the women's loos, dressing rooms etc. This is under the radar stuff, done without the permission of women and been going on for years. I think our agreement was never sought because in the early days, this was thought to relate to only about 5000 trans-sexual people (surgery and all). The reality is turning out to be a very different kettle of fish.
We have to get these additional gender neutral loos happening pretty damned quick. We need male/female and gender neutral and that is my only compromise.'

• GRC? Transition? Old hat. Irrelevant to this.

If in anything previously single sex with a female/ woman sign. And you are male. Irrespective of anything else.

Then women/girls are instructed to assume they are where they should be.
Any hint of even a slight ??? is cruel, othering and bigoted.
Even a slight indication of doubt is an expression of hate.
Be nice.

• Additional gender neutral loos? You mean unisex.

And we need to do this? Women? Need to get them? Who is we? Trans orgs have have not been agitating for this at all. Unisex is outing, othering, stating tw are different to women.
It's everything that was single sex, being opened up to any male who fancies coming in.
Nothing else will do.

And. How? Who pays? Bogs cost money. Public toilets being decimated for years and years, council save money, women and girls hugely impacted compared to men. Urinary leash getting tighter, gradually.

Loads of places short on space. Save money and gain space? Very appealing to certain businesses.
Been in restaurants and other places where it's obvious were two sets. Now one. All gender sign. Inside gappy cubicles. Once a man radiating really fucked off I was there.

Those things won't come back.

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Both sexes want single sex. The vast majority.
That's been in place and accepted fine for years and years.
Huge social convention to adhere.
Great.

Changing that to single GENDER. No warning no agreement no nothing.

And then having to fight to get what everyone had until 5 mins ago.

That's shit.

I've found another one of those men who supports mixed-sex toilets and changing rooms, and who may have ulterior motives in doing so!

Former Manchester Labour councillor Carl Ollerhead, who said that males have a right to access women's and girls' toilets has been charged with indecently assaulting a girl under the age of 16

twitter.com/CourtNewsUK/status/1433016097679286274?t=Egq16slYoSteV1Tv-DTLJw&s=19

newspaper report

A formerManchester councillorhas been charged with historic sexual offences against an underage girl.

Carl Ollerhead, 40, wassuspended by the town hall’s Labour group last yearafter allegations were made on social media.

Following an investigation by Staffordshire Police’s rape and serious sexual offences team, Mr Ollerhead has been charged with three counts of indecent assault on a girl under the age of 16.

Continues: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/former-manchester-councillor-carl-ollerhead-21449178

But, @PurgatoryOfPotholes, IT NEVER HAPPENS!!

You are obviously imagining it all...

Yep, never happens. He definitely wasn't, in the brave words of our new terven sister, planning to join the number of "those cis men who are exploiting selfID". Definitely not, because that would never happen!

@Outdoorbeanbags

I don’t know how anyone can read those DM comments (trolls)… one man pretty much said that this is what women deserve for asking for the vote??

It's a popular view amongst the really tedious type of misogynist: 'if you silly girls hadn't tried to get out of the box we put you in and just done what you were told, this never would have happened to you'.

Which shows you really what kind of a person supports this, and just how useful genderism is to misogynists who now have a virtuous way to be sexist and enjoy seeing females lose. Seeing them lose and have less and suffer actually does seem to be becoming a required part of this agenda; it's not done properly until females are excluded and oppressed.

No 'equality' or actual 'inclusion' (or 'kindness') anywhere to be seen. Those are things females have to give to their betters or else.

For sure.

Feminism has gone too far is where conscious or subconscious, incredibly widespread.

Especially men with certain characteristics.

Loads of men hate women's sport taking airtime from the real sport.

The attitude expressed sometimes is obv the blatent end-

You wanted equality?
You got it!
We can punch you in the face now.