And just like that - females squeamish at male public masturbation

[MuchasSmoochas]

Has anyone watched the new Sex and the City show yet? I got really annoyed and switched off. Carrie is on a podcast, lots of chat about cis het. Whatevs.

But what really made me furious was when the male podcast guest said he couldn’t think of anywhere where he hadn’t masturbated in public. And Carrie said she hadn’t and they laughed at her like she was such a prude. I suppose it was trying to show how behind the times she is. I suppose she didn’t want to “kink shame” .

When did it become ok for men to masturbate in public?

Yes I know it’s a shit show BTW.

Watched the first 3 episodes last night - wanted to give it a chance before slating it but what a steaming pile of shit. They’ve made all the characters into parodies - Miranda wtf?! She’s a successful professional woman and has been reduced to a blundering fool. Carrie, a sassy journalist who can no longer string a sentence together. And Charlotte, who was always a bit vacuous is probably the closest to what she was before, but seems to be acting in a school play not a network TV series.

Che’s ‘comedy’ routine was painful. Not one actual joke, just a load of waffle about how many people wanted to fuck Che. At least they reference all the wokeness with the woke buzzer, but honestly, what a load of wank. It’s like they’ve written it to appeal to a whole new audience by taking the piss out of the original audience and characters being so out of touch. Everyone referencing how grey and old they look, Steve’s hearing aids and constant missing what’s being said. Just totally ageist.

And sad to hear that Big is such a fuck up in RL. The little dancing/singing moment made me smile, then I read about his sexual assaults today. Bastard.

@middleager

Entirely predictible.

And that scene where the podcast guy (who had previously bragged to audiences in a 'hip' way about wanking in various NYC destinations) joked on the podcast about having sexual relations with a minor... jeez, it's so depressing.

The arrogance of Che that her family would be so obsessed with her sex life and personality choices re self ID. It really is "me, me, me". I don't care! It's boring, it's naval gazing. The family were probaby bored too to be honest.

Che's "Cheer if you fucked me! Cheer if I fucked you!Cheer if you want to fuck me!" I mean what the actual fuck was that? It sure as hell wasn't funny. It was kind of pathetic in an audience of drunk people, some of whom you may have fucked but this was being recorded for a Netflix special. Who the actual hell would want to sit at home and watch that?

And maybe I'm very squeamish and prudish but I'm a little younger than Sara Ramirez and presumably Che. There is just no way in hell that I would be standing in front of an audience, largely made up of people in their twenties and yelling about fucking them. I mean, I'm not going to yell about fucking large groups of anyone, but certainly not an audience most of whom are roughly 20 years my junior. It would just feel utterly pathetic at best and, considering Che is holding a position of influence as some sort of 'celebrity,' really predatory at worst.

What I don't get is how the 'ladies' (I guess they are not girls anymore) are acting as if they haven't heard anything about the current gender debate.
Surely people over 50 still use social media? Surely some of Rose and Lily's classmates might have expressed different gender identities, they would have discussed trans awareness at school etc

Instead all 3 of them acted as if they had been transported to a magical land where queerness was basically like being part of a huge love orgy where everyone fucks everyone else.

To be fair, most people I know are very much not aware of the gender problems. I became aware as a double pronged thing of relative with poor mental health changing I'd, and jk Rowling. I cared enough to research it but am very much in the minority. Am very clued up thanks to fwr and all my peers and family are largely ignorant, falling into two categories: expressing mild GC concerns but not understanding the scale of it or full on be kind.

I could definitely see it passing by Carrie(self obsessed anyway) but I would hope Miranda would understand the legal implications.

The above post made we realise that this show could put their US centric view of gender ideology into the living rooms of many people (likely women) in the UK.

I wonder what the reaction will be.

*me, not we

Cynthia Nixon is super woke and a parent to a trans child, so I don’t think she’d sign up to her character being critical.

I feel like woke is the wrong word for this. As originally woke was a bit of a synonym for recognising structural racism I feel like it is more akin to feminism (which also recognises sex based inequality) than gender ideology, which is more about weaponizing characteristics.

Isn't there a word for that? Because there should be. I know there's luxury beliefs, but gender ideology can be harmful in a way like other luxury beliefs, like veganism, eco warriors, left politics aren't.

@cosmopolitanplease

Ugh. 'Gender In The City' isn't really doing it for me but like a PP I'm hoping Anthony will continue to be the voice of sanity.

Oh come on now, you know as well as I do that Anthony will be "educated" and will see the error of his ways in no time at all.

I remember reading that SATC was written by gay men. The premise was that the female characters were basically gay men. This made it all make sense to me. I liked the fashion but never related to the characters or stories.

Suddenly a great deal becomes clear. I didn't know this.

I'm not going to bother watching it now. It's not entertaining.

Nope it’s gone from being a lighthearted but if fluff to trying to “educate” - not how I want to be spending my evenings!

I've seen it claimed that the show is still transphobic because there's no trans woman character. I suggest the writers rectify this immediately. Harry can transition! She can then take the place of Samantha as the sexy one and the others can gush how gorgeous she is in her dresses and Manolos. Charlotte can become even more of a sanctimonious perfect little lady by standing by her (wo)man.

@DuckDuckNo

I've seen it claimed that the show is still transphobic because there's no trans woman character. I suggest the writers rectify this immediately. Harry can transition! She can then take the place of Samantha as the sexy one and the others can gush how gorgeous she is in her dresses and Manolos. Charlotte can become even more of a sanctimonious perfect little lady by standing by her (wo)man.

Excellent idea! Harriet will be a much better woman than those boring cis bitches.

@RockPaperScience

The above post made we realise that this show could put their US centric view of gender ideology into the living rooms of many people (likely women) in the UK.

I wonder what the reaction will be.

The general feeling from telly addicts is not impressed.

@CheeseMmmm

Lobster- yes! It's shit I had have a slightly different take though.

And would add Dr who to the list!

What I have seen is-

Simplification of characters and stories. Very little establishment of even main characters.
Any establishment is through scenes to spell out one or two points. And they are standard.
Eg

Person in clothes old/ battered etc. running from, fighting people in uniforms.
Determined, goodie, wanted by baddies, brave, hero.

People (often with non USA accents) in uniforms, marching in groups. Generally doing something BAD. Are baddies.

No nuance, no complex individual stuff, no doubts, dilemmas. No personality essentially. Nothing. No insight into internal life, complexity. Nope.

I mean sure this isn't highbrow stuff but still!

To my shame I saw part of one episode where a creature (huge spider?) was dying a slow, agonising death, and Dr Who was aghast that someone had thought to pit it out of its misery.

"We dont kill living creatures".

No nuance, no discussion over what the most humane action is. Terrible message and there was no need for the scene.

I used to listen to a Buffy the Vampire Slayer podcast on Spotify, led by two gay men who claim to analyse it from a "feminist and queer perspective".

The puerile "wokeness" made me switch off.

They once spoke of a fantasy character in a TV show that wasn't buffy, who was played by a woman and generally meant to be female. They wouldn't refer to her as "she" simply because this character's pronouns had never been explicitly stated.

The refer to JKR as "trash" and her having awful feminism, the "wrong kind of feminism" etc etc. And five minutes later, they're discussing the misogyny of Whedon and the villains of the show.

It's mind blowing that two men seem to think they can dictate the correct way to do feminism. Their immaturity and lack of self awareness shines through.

balked at Che's suggestion that Carrie will get labelled as "the boring vanilla cis het married lady" or words to that effect. Gosh, what a terrible thing to be! There did seem to be a bit of pushback from Carrie and Miranda on this, but it's hard to tell if there is any criticism of the new woke "sex positivity" or if they are just going to be shown to be out of touch old women. So far I'm not impressed. It all feels a bit sexist and ageist, actually.

///// Absolutely this.

The podcast lady and chaps "banter' actually reminded me of Ira and the Douche in Parks and Recreation, only less subtle

I have watched three episodes and can't watch anymore. It actually left me profoundly depressed. In the original series the woman felt centred in the drama, now I just feel the hands of writers using the characters to make a series of ageist and woke points. The characters are so 2 dimensional, puppets, the clothes like dressing up clothes. It doesn't allow them any dignity somehow. I am shocked the actors signed up to the scripts frankly. The hole left by Samantha feels like a chasm when there is nothing good to fill it.

This could have been such an interesting show which showed the complexities of their lives, ageing etc. but this is not it.

I saw some interviews of the main cast. They were taped around the same time the show was filmed and yet the cast looked 10 years younger. Why is the show overdoing their age?

@CheeseMmmm

It's all spoon fed, background and characters established though linking to standard film stereotypes. Not script, not acting (they aren't given the opportunity to do so). All about visuals and action not the actual character, iyswim.

Constant heavy handed messaging. Done well you shouldn't notice it. Done well it should be subtle, nuanced, you only see it if you look for it.

now?
BAM! environment! Stop animal cruelty! Rainforests! Gay person! Etc.

This is NOT the best approach in any way shape or form.

And when not delivering MESSAGES everyone is killing everyone casually and constantly.

Yay!

Fucking appalling.

But then I am the right age to moan things were better in my day!

Yeah, I totally agree with this. I watched The Rise of Skywalker and right after the original Star Wars. Both popular fiction, very much genre pieces directed to a wide audience.

But Star Wars had so so much more talking. And storytelling.

But there is something about this desire to make the old, established characters into people who have the exact opposite qualities of what we admired about them. I think it may be a nihilistic impulse. No one is really good, no one has any real nobility.

Maybe it is because of the progressive commitment to the idea that history is leading to some free utopian end? SO the people of the past must be wrong in some way?

SO the people of the past must be wrong in some way?

That’s very interesting. I’ve often noticed they seem to be in a fight with strawman versions of the past. The one that stands out is Ash Sarkar Tweeting about how trench warfare is bad, actually, in Remembrance Day. As if the Siegfried Sassoon perspective was a new revelation.

But they do it all the time in less memorably egregious ways. I guess it’s hard to deny that “wokeness” is part of the Establishment now, so true believers are having to explain to themselves why it’s not actually making life better - and their way of dealing with that is by making the past out to be worse than it is.

Not sure if this was already posted but I was surprised to see it in the (usually terrible) Independent: "While Sex and the City celebrated women’s voices, And Just Like That seeks to silence them"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/and-just-like-that-sex-and-the-city-women-b1978957.html

@GCAndProud

Fuck, I just saw this on Twitter: twitter.com/anonacademic_uk/status/1471497994335768578?s=21

Seems all predictions were correct re the trans kid.

I love the commentary in that Twitter though