Harrop MPTS Thread 3

[BoreOfWhabylon]

For when the last one fills up

@nauticant

There are excerpts and real world names of the witnesses on twitter SpangleWhorl.

This must be a police matter?

You can see on the tribunal website the reports of numerous hearings where suspension has been used. Some doctors go back to panel several times. It's very important that the panel have pointed out that Harrop is good at describing what insight is but less so at demonstrating it. That's what you would expect to see changed over time and we should expect him to be given every opportunity to show that. I think the sanction is important but for me the most important result is today - on the basis of what he admitted to the tribunal (because remember they didn't find proven any of the other allegations), on the basis of what he admitted alone, it has been found his fitness to practice was impaired by misconduct. That's a huge, huge finding for all the women and the men who stood up to him.

If Harrop is suspended, and it looks like its going that way, will he have to show good behavior to get re-instated?
His behavior seems to be compulsive so I doubt he could keep himself in check for long enogh to get re-instated.

@dyslek

If Harrop is suspended, and it looks like its going that way, will he have to show good behavior to get re-instated? His behavior seems to be compulsive so I doubt he could keep himself in check for long enogh to get re-instated.

It depends whether the panel order a review or not.

If they don't, then when the suspension is up, it's up. Back to normal.

(Although, based on what his lawyer said, if it's more than 6 months he will need to convince his local area team to let him back on the GP performers list.)

If they do, then he will have to convince another panel that he's addressed the issues and is fit to be unsuspended.

I know this has been discussed previously, but i would assume he'd just start under an anonymous account?
And that wouldn't necessarily be a problem,
... unless maybe he was later publicly linked to that account? Or would that not even matter if he wasn't explicitly tweeting as a medical professional?

If he hadn't tweeted as a doctor we would probably have never got to this point.

I know, but I'm thinking now it has happened, does that change anything re anon tweeting from this point forward?

Only if he gets caught?

I'd have thought it a high risk life choice.

@dyslek

If Harrop is suspended, and it looks like its going that way, will he have to show good behavior to get re-instated? His behavior seems to be compulsive so I doubt he could keep himself in check for long enogh to get re-instated.

Yes.

If you're interested, read the case I posted about upthread.

It's a very good example of what level of reflection/insight/remorse is required when dealing with an issue of character from someone whose requesting their licence to be re-instated.

We've discussed the impact of the Vice article, but if he is suspended then I think looking at the picture of him with Prior, proudly displaying his TERF repellent badge is interesting.

What that shows is that even mid tribunal he still couldn't comprehend the impact of this being posted online.

It doesn't matter it wasn't on his social media account.

It didn't occur to him that the badge was inflammatory and offensive in the context of spraying women with whom you disagree with chemicals.

It didn't occur to him that being pictured with a person whose online account is awash with tweets just as (and far more) inappropriate than those the tribunal found unacceptable is arguably a message that he endorses the views of said person.

These are the circles he mixes in. This is his life.

It's going to be a hell of a challenge to walk the walk (not just talk the talk as the tribunal noted) of sincere reflection in that context and moreover provide actual evidence that he has done so - especially when that could all be undermined by a single picture at Pride for example next to a "Kill TERFS" sign (theoretical example) that gets randomly posted online outside his control.

@MonsignorMirth

I know, but I'm thinking now it has happened, does that change anything re anon tweeting from this point forward?

He could do it, but only someone with a history of poor judgment would risk it.....

.....oh hang on

I get that GPs are needed and the pannel must be conservative in its judgements, but Harrop and/or people associated with him are currently publishing witness names and statements, it dose not get more contemptious of the process than that.

Harrop will have to distance himself from his current friends if he is to remain a doctor.

I also think the journalist may be behind the accont as he will want the info out there so he can say its already in the public domain when he puts out more bile articles in Vice.

I think we need to be very careful in speculating on who is putting what into the public domain.

I think also whilst Harrop can rightly be held accountable for his own conduct, he cannot be held accountable for the conduct of others.

@Motorina

I think we need to be very careful in speculating on who is putting what into the public domain.

I think also whilst Harrop can rightly be held accountable for his own conduct, he cannot be held accountable for the conduct of others.

Agreed.

The thing he needs to realise is that his 'friends' aren't his friends. They have not a care for his life or career. He's a useful idiot.
I'd genuinely love to see him start afresh and learn from all this.
It seems .. unlikely.
Maybe his mum could convince him to change his ways, nothing else seems to have worked.

@Motorina

I think we need to be very careful in speculating on who is putting what into the public domain.

I think also whilst Harrop can rightly be held accountable for his own conduct, he cannot be held accountable for the conduct of others.

There needs to be accountability however for whoever enabled access to the materials specific to him and his tribunal to the sharer with the public domain. That was a choice.

Of that was my kid - if I’d supported him through school and uni, through med school... I’d be ringing his neck right now.

But some parents encourage their little darlings don’t they (ever read Viz?)

The author is blindingly obvious. Mental illness is a hell of a thing, blimy!

@KittenKong

Of that was my kid - if I’d supported him through school and uni, through med school... I’d be ringing his neck right now.

But some parents encourage their little darlings don’t they (ever read Viz?)

Spoilt Bastard was particularly memorable.

Flipping flip mother...

So, witness statements now being dumped on public blogs.

@Ekofisk

So, witness statements now being dumped on public blogs.

The chilling impact of this will be substantial.

At best, it's such an error of judgment by people who nonetheless retain their belief that at best they are on the 'right side of history'.

At its worst, this is a highly effective manoeuvre that will intimidate those who dissent from thought totalism and make them apprehensive for their own safety and that of their friends and family.

I missed most of the excitement today, so thank you to everyone for posting the updates. I particularly enjoyed this bit:

"The tribunal considered that Dr Harrop was good at articulating insight, but when the opportunity had arisen to demonstrate this - specifically in relation to the interview with VICE Global - he had failed to do so."

and pretty much all of paragraph 41, especially:

"The Tribunal concluded that the kind of deplorable behaviour demonstrated by Dr Harrop needs to be marked as unacceptable conduct by a medical practitioner. In light of the inappropriate, insulting and at times intimidatory communications Dr Harrop engaged in on Twitter, the only appropriate outcome was that a finding of impairment be made."

So much for "cleared of all charges", eh Robin?

@Nasturs

I think the chances of him keeping his gob shut for 12 months is minimal.

Yep.

I think the chances of him keeping his gob shut for 12 months is minimal

Actually it's for life.....

Regardless of the sanctions imposed, if he transgresses again then he either risks his licence being reinstated (if suspended) or being called to another tribunal in light of new evidence for the same offence (a really, really bad look).

The who point of this process is to ensure that Doctors understand the standards to which they are held and can maintain them - not just for a specific amount of time, but for as long as they practice.

I think the chances of him keeping his gob shut for 12 months is minimal.

I think the chances of him keeping his gob shut for 12 day's is minimal.