Still profiting off JK Rowling i see

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So, the Hogwarts turncoats are getting back together, sans Rowling.

They have a brass neck, that's for sure.

Happy to ring every last penny they can out of the franchise whilst continuing to sell Rowling down the river.

Zero moral compass between them. Either they back Rowling, and thank her for the fact anyone other than their mum knows they exist, or they renounce and walk away. You dont get to have it both ways.

www.theguardian.com/film/2021/nov/17/harry-potter-cast-return-to-hogwarts-to-mark-20th-anniversary-of-first-film

Arabella I’ve been waiting for at least two years for someone to explain to me the precise details of the robust diagnostic technique used to identify which are the 80-85% of children who will desist from gender confusion post-puberty and which are the 15-20% who will persist (since it would be highly unethical to subject any of the former to unnecessary medication which could have a life-changing impact on them) and still no advocate of puberty blockers has been able to do so, but perhaps you’ll have more joy in your vigil

Have a warming nightcap of your choice while you’re waiting.

@CallMeNutribullet @NashvilleQueen
*WARNING POTENTIAL SPOILERS
PP is referring to the casting of a black woman as Hermione in the HP play. + her daughter as black.
Which would have been great if the rest of the cast was diverse - or at least looked nothing like their movie counterparts.

However
a) Those two were the ONLY ones out of the original cast to have been 'diversified'. Everybody else was made to follow the books meticulously. Down to the Weasley siblings' red haired and Draco's blonde they were clearly recognisable even without their names being said. Why single out Hermione who was the main female lead?

b) There was plenty of opportunity to write in a black character. One of the two leads - Draco's son, whose mother isn't in the books. Delphi, a girl of unknown parentage who later features heavily.

But no, these characters are too important to have a black person play them.

Instead Hermione who is
a) A supporting character in THIS play
b) White (she has bushy brown hair)
c) A well established character whom the majority of people know from the movies

is blackwashed - and to make it 'add up' her daughter is also black, the irony.

It's tokenism and as a POC I find it rather disappointing. They had the chance to have a diverse cast with roles written for them but they blew it.

*sorry i meant to say main female lead of the original harry potter series - not this play!

*and nt these two - Hermione the only one out of the original cast. Her daughter clearly not

I absolutely love JK Rowling. Her books, her charity work, her integrity and her courage to not only stand her ground in front of a rabid mob, but to do so with grace and principles. What they hate the most is a woman (adult human female) who doesn’t cower. Thank you JK Rowling.

I wonder at what point DR, EW and RG will look back and cringe over their behaviour. I feel embarrassed for them.

@TractorandHeadphones no I knew what she was referring to. The point I was making is the ridiculous link between suggesting that JKR has some kind of cognitive dissonance if she allows a black actress to play a formerly white character in a play but doesn't believe you can change sex in the real world.

Your point is about the casting decision to give the role to a black female when everyone else appears as they were written. I recall the reporting around it at the time and still don't care one way or another about it. Maxine Peake played Hamlet, there's a long tradition of people playing what they are not in theatre, I can't get annoyed or even mildly it rips out it. But whatever the casting decision represents it is not that JKRs position on biological sex is somehow rendered inconsistent.

I wonder at what point DR, EW and RG will look back and cringe over their behaviour. I feel embarrassed for them

Yes and when the tide turns I wonder how long before they change their views to go with that tide and what excuses they’ll make for their original comments.

@Unmerited

I absolutely love JK Rowling. Her books, her charity work, her integrity and her courage to not only stand her ground in front of a rabid mob, but to do so with grace and principles. What they hate the most is a woman (adult human female) who doesn’t cower. Thank you JK Rowling.

I wonder at what point DR, EW and RG will look back and cringe over their behaviour. I feel embarrassed for them.

I agree that Ms Rowling is fantastic.

DR, EW and RG could have avoided discussing Rowling's views or diplomatically disagreed but they chose to throw her under a bus, which is why I find them vile.

I don't feel embarassed for them. I hope that they become embarassed for themselves and apologise to Ms Rowling.

Come here to read among like-minded people, I feel very teary, frustrated, worried, scared, wish I could get a hug from someone. I'm posting on threads on here (my real name isn't Sally by the way, I use a fake name on Fb) www.facebook.com/groups/2333708380267341/posts/2732427073728801/?cft[0]=AZW9bQ8DMGXH7t5PHISgNd262_-Oxdy6k0Kgo1tnMFV-B4RA_ezoPsZWa5oEyrdjA7vNonGB9J6b0SL9bNO7J06Zq-PVEquBoPpdHr7MiTZ5WRk8YM_vumjTwXmXnU-2Qp6WvnPLaePLujNW4vTrEquu&tn=%2CO%2CP-R and I just feel so helpless. When Fb posters honestly can't see why women who have been raped don't deserve a space away from a person with a penis, what do you say to them? I just don't understand how they could be so callously indifferent and heartless to vulnerable women's suffering.

In Watson's case? Never. She's always been a vacuous , sanctimonious twerp and she'll get worse as she gets older.

That cringemaking conversation with a friend where she whined on about not understanding all the fuss about her tits (oh how edgy she was, calling her breasts tits) after the Vogue shoot is still hilarious.

And don't get me started again on her idiotic utterances about how hard it is to buy ethically sourced products.

I feel really scared. How can we make Watson and Radcliffe and others understand? I don't know what to do.

Don't be scared, be angry instead. You can't force other people understand, all you can do is continue to put your own points rationally and calmly. If enough people keep doing that, we will eventually make progress. There is evidence that this approach is working, eg the interview with Stonewall chief Nancy Kelly (sp?) on woman's hour, followed by a public change of policy a few days later.

@thegirlcat

Delurking to say that Watson and Radcliffe et al will understand when their future career doesn't depend on them not understanding. We're in the middle of a witch hunt right now, and most people in the arts know pretty much what happened to the careers of people in the 1950's, when they fell foul of that witch hunt.

They may believe what they're saying - people in the arts who are gender critical are often keeping their heads down; the ones who aren't are frequently older, more established, and more able to contemplate never working again (because they've gone through periods of no work and know they can cope). So all their peers who speak up are likely very TWAW and they may have simply not heard the GC view.

But even if they don't, they are facing the prospect of losing a career they've been in since childhood. For some of them, they are the second generation of their family in the arts. They don't know anything else - yes, they're financially independent, but what will they do if they're cast out of the arts fold for their heretical support of a 'witch'? If all their future projects dry up and their current friends don't dare be seen with them?

So I'm taking their current 'repudiation' with a substantial pinch of salt. Yes, it'd be great if they were heroes (like the characters they play) - but if they've made a tactical decision that nobody is going to succeed in cancelling JKR, but supporting her will ruin them, that's sadly understandable.

Didn't Watson go to university specifically so she would have something to fall back on, career wise, should acting fail?

(Though I vaguely recall she dropped out, so maybe she only has her millions to sustain her?)

[quote NashvilleQueen]**@TractorandHeadphones no I knew what she was referring to. The point I was making is the ridiculous link between suggesting that JKR has some kind of cognitive dissonance if she allows a black actress to play a formerly white character in a play but doesn't believe you can change sex in the real world.

Your point is about the casting decision to give the role to a black female when everyone else appears as they were written. I recall the reporting around it at the time and still don't care one way or another about it. Maxine Peake played Hamlet, there's a long tradition of people playing what they are not in theatre, I can't get annoyed or even mildly it rips out it. But whatever the casting decision represents it is not that JKRs position on biological sex is somehow rendered inconsistent. [/quote]
Fair enough - casting not really relevant to this discussion

She changed universities and, as far as I know, graduated.

Thank you, Alfonso. So she could start using the degree, then.

The three idiots who turned up outside JKR's house yesterday to protest (stalk) her missed a trick by not dressing up as Dan, Rupert & Emma.

The aforementioned three idiots are now claiming the messages telling them this was harrassment were actually serious and transphobic messages, so they've had to take the photo down.

They had to take the photo down because it was mass reported to Twitter, JKR’s publishers and her PR company.

@Rhannion

They had to take the photo down because it was mass reported to Twitter, JKR’s publishers and her PR company.

I understand that but they are claiming it is due to transphobic messages, rather than admitting they did something wrong. Unsurprinsingly.

Well, I'm glad it's down, but I want them to acknowledge the fucking idiocy of posting a woman's address online. Can you imagine the absolute fucking uproar if one of them was doxxed? They don't see JKR as human, do they? They don't think she's entitled to safety, privacy and respect.

And if there was any actual justice in the world they would have had a visit from the police by now.

@OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg

Arabella I’ve been waiting for at least two years for someone to explain to me the precise details of the robust diagnostic technique used to identify which are the 80-85% of children who will desist from gender confusion post-puberty and which are the 15-20% who will persist (since it would be highly unethical to subject any of the former to unnecessary medication which could have a life-changing impact on them) and still no advocate of puberty blockers has been able to do so, but perhaps you’ll have more joy in your vigil

Have a warming nightcap of your choice while you’re waiting.

Hello, OTTOTI.

Solidarity with you, in your long and patient vigil. Slainte!

A culture of untouchability has reigned for so long that I'll bet that they genuinely don't understand how creepy and wrong their behaviour was and feel entitled to have behaved in such a manner. As Arabella says, they just don't see JKR as human.