"Ace week" in girl guiding.

[WarriorN]

What fresh hell....

Thankfully a number of posters really not impressed. Worrying number think it's entirely appropriate

https://www.facebook.com/girlguidinguk/photos/a.398392309681/10158689026444682/?type=3

But it was worth reading it to find this excellent analysis of "Ace" identity and issues around it.

bryndisb.substack.com/p/asexuality-queering-the-mundane

@MumofAceDD
Yes, that's how it reads to me as well, hide it, to pretend you're not in case people fetishise.
It's not OK to say that about other sexualities, so why this?
If that wasn't what was meant apologies but not sure what else it's getting at!

How about all random adults stay out of initiating this (any sexuality related) discussion with other people’s children?

How about only PHSE in schools teach this, under strictly supervised conditions and subject to safeguarding?

@KimikosNightmare

In what way have asexual people suffered anything like that?

They haven't

We probably all know asexual people in real life and just haven't given it that much thought?

I'm sure we have all met and know asexual people and I'm also sure that whilst they won't have suffered the same sort of prejudices gay people have suffered that they will have had to put up with being say the office weirdo; the cold fish; the sad spinster.

This has made me think, I used to work with someone who we thought along the lines of them about (I know, I know ) It was about 20 years ago though. She probably was ace looking back. It's good people have more awareness and more accepting now. Although seemingly still a long way to go

How about only PHSE in schools teach this, under strictly supervised conditions and subject to safeguarding

Agreed.

The girls at girlguides get what? 2 hours a week where they aren't asked fir blow jobs in art class, or called a slag becuase they said no to sone boy who's been asking them out every ten mins for a week.

Can't they have 5 mins away from sexuality or lack.of being the be all and end all.

@Whatwouldscullydo

How about only PHSE in schools teach this, under strictly supervised conditions and subject to safeguarding

Agreed.

The girls at girlguides get what? 2 hours a week where they aren't asked fir blow jobs in art class, or called a slag becuase they said no to sone boy who's been asking them out every ten mins for a week.

Can't they have 5 mins away from sexuality or lack.of being the be all and end all.

This this this! I'm not sending my kid to Guides to learn about sex (or lack of), I am sending her there so she can do fun things that have to do with nature and learn skills and cooperate with others. God knows sex and sexuality and identities - invented or not - are pushed at them 24/7 anyway.

Girl guides have turned off commenting on Facebook. They have also posted a social media guide for their community. The people on that thread do not seem to understand that by congratulating each other on being ACE on a public account for all the GG community they are engaging with minors about their sexuality.
Some posters saying it's not children as facebook required you to be 13. That really worried me that girl guiders are not seen as children!

@PumpkinGin

How about all random adults stay out of initiating this (any sexuality related) discussion with other people’s children?

How about only PHSE in schools teach this, under strictly supervised conditions and subject to safeguarding?

This.

A PP said 'but they have CRB checks'. I mean...

@FemaleAndLearning

Girl guides have turned off commenting on Facebook. They have also posted a social media guide for their community. The people on that thread do not seem to understand that by congratulating each other on being ACE on a public account for all the GG community they are engaging with minors about their sexuality. Some posters saying it's not children as facebook required you to be 13. That really worried me that girl guiders are not seen as children!

I actually think that one of the posters revealing her own sexuality may be a child too (Little Owl is often a young leader aged 14-17). This age group doesn't have to do the safe space training AFAIK but are often looked up to by girls.

Katie - I think that. YL do have to do safe space level 1 now.

@FemaleAndLearning

Girl guides have turned off commenting on Facebook. They have also posted a social media guide for their community. The people on that thread do not seem to understand that by congratulating each other on being ACE on a public account for all the GG community they are engaging with minors about their sexuality. Some posters saying it's not children as facebook required you to be 13. That really worried me that girl guiders are not seen as children!

You should not be encouraging children to think of what level of sexual desire you feel in your private life.

Yes, even if it's zero.

Who sends their kids to girl guides to learn about this sort of thing? Don't they go to guides to have fun?

@WarriorN

Especially as ace people appear to have as much sex as anyone else.

Is it the rebranding of heterosexual?

Everyone has to be speshul now.

When is this absolute fucking BULLSHIT going to end !?

If it's appropriate to talk about being asexual with your guides, would it also be appropriate to state that you're hypersexualised? Asexual isn't an orientation in the way we normally understand is it?

Quite frankly, this is all utterly bizarre.

This thread has some very odd posts in it.

This thread has some very odd posts in it.

Word.

Normalise [clap emoji] Not [clap emoji] Talking [clap emoji] About [clap emoji] Your [clap emoji] Libido [clap emoji] To [clap emoji] Children

Am I doing this right?

This thread has some very odd posts in it.

Yes.

Mum the people who come up with this shit and flags fetishise it. That's what queer theory is.

young girls like your daughter adopting the label are entirely unaware of the wider implication or issues around many of the ridiculous labels out there.

I agree with pumpkingin, excellent post.

I'm not surprised teens decide to be ace when presented with a pile of other (non LGB) sexualities. I would have found it very hard to have all those expectations thrown at me.

That's the point, they shouldnt have to be calling themselves a label. They should be able to just be themselves.

But yes, in an educational setting, this is different, to a point.

Katie - I think that. YL do have to do safe space level 1 now.

They have to do level 1 and 2.

The current CEO of Girlguiding has a very clear agenda that she’s very clearly pushing…

@vinsurvin
Great post, I'm not asexual but found it really informative

I have many many thoughts which I'm not going to mention here. But I will say I feel for the tween and teen girls who, surrounded by our now hyper-sexualised, pornified culture, and so much pressure to service males, even if they don't wat all want to, even if the act is repugnant to them or physically injures them.

And then they think they can find some safety in identifying as Asexual, only to then very quickly be informed that no. That escape's cut off at the pass too. It's almost like certain people. with certain vested interests already thought of that one and planned ahead-

Because now, ""Being Ace just means not experiencing sexual attraction to [any of the 7.8b genders] but they can still have sex with people"
and
"But lots of asexuals have lots of sex and they just love it and you can be an asexual aro-poly-am lesbian and also..." .

It's like an infinite range of flags and identities and sexual preferences identifying as orientations but is there even one sacred Identity or ""orientation"" which, must be respected as all the others, and allows teenage girls and young women to be left in peace to do their own thing?

Without being nagged day & night about how they should probably be available to penis all the time bc otherwise they're mean/causing blueballs/man-haters/t*rfs/sex-neg/not empowerrrred etc?

[yes I am v.pissed tf off, at adults who need to just leave kids alone]

Children have 'boyfriends' and 'girlfriends' at primary school. It's an unfortunate truth that children are having sex or experimenting with sexual touching while still at primary school.

Just reiterating here that children 'having sex' is abuse and rape.

Ninetynine that's exactly it.

Datun quite.

When my daughter displayed overtly sexualised behaviour it was an immediate red flag to me. It was a delicate conversation as she didn't know what she was doing wasn't normal for her primary age. After some probing it turns out she had been 'reading' pornographic magazines in her dad's bathroom when on contact.

If children are inappropriately touch other children in primary then this is a red flag, I'm gobsmacked some people think this is normal behaviour at that just because a few girls may have started puberty!