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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kathleen Stock has resigned

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nevernomore · 28/10/2021 17:13

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kathleen-stock-resigns-from-universuty-of-sussex-after-trans-rights-row-h0pns6lds

I wish she hadn't. Bullies should not be allowed to win. It just emboldens them.

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Alektopteryx · 31/10/2021 23:56

There was a piece in the Times about Helena Kennedy's work to evacuate those women and their families. The women's work has put them in grave danger: Afghan female judges rescued by Baroness Kennedy

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bd538350-398a-11ec-869f-027d769ad087?shareToken=62ab0edf3572813c9666850c423f28f4

missfliss · 01/11/2021 05:12

Yet again not any actual words from
margarita on what exactly Prof Stock has said or done that is hateful or wrong.

Just obfuscation, side stepping and mysterious 'allusions'.

Can't honestly give you any serious engagement in an adult debate.

endofagain · 01/11/2021 05:26

I am glad to see that Stonewall have at least done one positive thing. The other tweets on that page are horrible.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2021 07:28

Excellent articles.

RepentMotherfucker · 01/11/2021 07:29

@MargaritaPie

inews.co.uk/news/world/afghanistan-evacuation-lgbt-people-afghan-rescued-taliban-arrive-uk-1275695

And Stonewall's tweet: twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1454350575110344707

@Flibberty, all I'm going to say is that there is more than 1 side of the debate on that matter.

But you just said it was 'fact and can be easily verified'. Right there. 5 posts back. Half an hour before this post.

Is it fact, or are there two sides to the debate?Because those are different things. You know that, right?

Right?

ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2021 08:49

There's also this in the Times today in addition to the other two pieces.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-isnt-the-polices-job-to-stop-people-being-offended-xj5vz7k05?shareToken=8ea1c04acd933ea903ca89da4a59fc5d

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 09:49

It's come to something when right wing news is leaving left wing news in the dust in relation to free speech and police overstepping.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2021 11:25

I'm not sure the Times is accurately characterised as 'right wing'- it's not the 'torygraph'. It often has columnists from different parts of the political spectrum.

McDuffy · 01/11/2021 13:23

Couldn't see this posted? Sarah Ditum in the Times

Trans activism is on the retreat. Let’s hope Professor Stock is these bullies’ last victim

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3422b888-39a5-11ec-a14e-75e3a4bcdc4c?shareToken=d17ece528e95daeb02bbedfb04302548

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 01/11/2021 13:30

[quote McDuffy]Couldn't see this posted? Sarah Ditum in the Times

Trans activism is on the retreat. Let’s hope Professor Stock is these bullies’ last victim

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3422b888-39a5-11ec-a14e-75e3a4bcdc4c?shareToken=d17ece528e95daeb02bbedfb04302548[/quote]
Thread about Sarah Ditum's article (50+ posts):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4389163-Trans-activism-on-retreat-Sarah-Ditum-Sunday-Times

McDuffy · 01/11/2021 13:39

Gah, sorry! I will head over there!

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 13:39

Academics must not be silenced, says university watchdog chief

In an exclusive article for The Telegraph, Lord Wharton says it is the duty of vice-chancellors to protect free speech on campus

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/31/academics-must-not-silenced-says-university-watchdog-chief/

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 13:42

Extract:

Academics must not be “silenced”, the university watchdog chief has said, as he warns vice-chancellors that they must protect free speech.

Lord Wharton, chairman of the Office for Students (OfS), said scholars must be able to put forward their views - even if they are contentious - without fear of intimidation.

It is his first intervention since Professor Kathleen Stock resigned from the University of Sussex amid a row with transgender activists.

Writing for The Telegraph, he said: “Academics cannot be expected to engage fully with their disciplines if they fear complaints which could effectively end their careers. They must be protected to ask difficult questions.”

He warned vice-chancellors that they must meet their obligations to uphold free speech on campus, adding new legislation will not only strengthen the legal duties of universities but also increase the regulator’s powers to address any transgressions.

Under proposed changes to the law, universities will be given a new legal duty to actively promote free speech on campus, and this will become a new condition of registration with the OfS.

This would mean that any institutions which fail to uphold free speech could be investigated and fined, or sanctioned, by the regulator. Other proposed changes will ensure student unions, as well as universities, are subject to the duties to promote free speech.

StandUpStraight · 01/11/2021 17:22

I read that Telegraph article this morning, and while it is good to see relevant people in positions of authority finally saying something about this, I am very tired of the “contentious belief” and “controversial views” label being applied to the understanding that biological sex exists.

MrsMadderRose · 01/11/2021 18:34

And also getting it wrong. I heard one R4 presenter say that KS's "controversial" stance was saying that sex mattered more than gender in determining "social roles".

Totally confusing as not only is that not what she said at all, it's also a traditional old-fashioned view that many people wouldn't find that controversial. It's amazing how many people don't get it or look it into it a bit so that they could get it.

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 20:51

I wonder if they can't possibly believe that someone saying that biology is real and matters in a number of situations is deemed controversial, and therefore think it must be more complicated than that. I agree it is frustrating.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2021 21:13

Totally confusing as not only is that not what she said at all, it's also a traditional old-fashioned view that many people wouldn't find that controversial.

Which is what Kemi Badenoch has said.

ScreamingMeMe · 01/11/2021 21:23

Angela Richardson MP (there's a video with her tweet):

"Today I asked
@michelledonelan
about the Freedom of Speech Bill and how it will uphold Freedom of Speech in our Universities following the sad news of Professor
@Docstockk
resigning from
@SussexUni
last week due to a sustained campaign of harassment and bullying."

twitter.com/AJRichardsonMP/status/1455242975391408134?s=20

missfliss · 03/11/2021 11:33

Woman's Hour interview with Prof Stock today - available now on the website

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 03/11/2021 11:37

@missfliss

Woman's Hour interview with Prof Stock today - available now on the website
Woman's Hour interview with KS covered in Daily Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10158517/Kathleen-Stock-endured-years-bullying-reputation-trashing-STAFF-Sussex-University.html

missfliss · 03/11/2021 11:41

Thanks for sharing the link below - It's good to listen to if you can, you really hear it in her voice - it's appalling what has happened to her.
She is an amazing interviewee

missfliss · 03/11/2021 11:59

seen there is a whole seperate thread on this - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4391827-Kathleen-Stock-on-BBC-Womans-Hour-today