BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

[FindTheTruth]

BBC spokesperson said: “The article looks at a complex subject from different perspectives and acknowledges it is difficult to assess the extent of the issue.

“It includes testimony from a range of different sources and provides appropriate context. It went through our rigorous editorial processes.

“It is important that journalism looks at issues - even where there are strongly held positions. The BBC is here to ensure debate and to make sure a wide a range of voices are heard.”

attitude.co.uk/article/bbc-responds-to-backlash-to-article-about-lesbians-being-pressured-into-sex-by-some-trans-women-1/26090/

@Journeyofthedragons

how many raped women is enough for the BBC to report it?

Isn't this why some people had a problem with the article? The named person they interviewed about the cotton ceiling was someone who had actually sexually assaulted women herself. It just didn't sit right.

Right.

So Lily Cade’s involvement with this article had absolutely no impact on the topic at all. Yet, because the person used to explain the term, NOT any of the lesbians telling of their personal experiences, didn’t ‘sit right’ the entire article is to be denounced?

Chilling really.

Yes the cynical manipulation of minor details is indeed chilling. The lengths people with an agenda will go to ignore the abuse of women is mind blowing.

@Datun

MargaritaPie "The point I'm getting at is times are changing. The attitudes that were acceptable 50 years ago just aren't accepted by today's younger generation."

Fifty years ago?

Like condemning homosexuality, threatening women who speak out and being overtly racist? Watching this lot is exactly like going back fifty years.

Yeah the disgusting rape apology isn't new either.

Our Friend from PIE has shown us exactly who they are and its really not attractive.

@Vanishun

Yes. It's wonderful - proof that they're having an impact.

A lot of people calling them out is "proof they are having an impact"??

If, for an analogy, someone were to give a racist speech and then receive a backlash for it would that also be "proof the racist made an impact"?

There is still a very long way to go, but my point was that attitudes towards vulnerable and minority groups have improved in the past 50 years. Generally speaking, each generation is a bit more accepting than the one before it.

@MargaritaPie

There is still a very long way to go, but my point was that attitudes towards vulnerable and minority groups have improved in the past 50 years. Generally speaking, each generation is a bit more accepting than the one before it.

Except the attitudes and treatment of women. They’ve gone right back to where they were 50 years ago, if not worse.

Again with the racist analogies.

Give over.

And you have missed the research that proves you are wrong yet again, the current 18-28 year olds are the most intolerant in society.

You are clinging to some kind of utopia that exists in the mind of the SJW posting a gun meme to silence women.

Anyway pie. Should or shouldn’t lesbians who have been abused, coerced into unwanted sex and raped be able to discuss this issue in mainstream media.

Yes Pie because the more you and yours "call things out", the more it actually just makes your creepy and sinister agendas clear to the world. It's why the tide is turning. I am so glad we have the alliance now.

It’s just so cringe watching the desperate flailing to find anything -anything!- to discredit the article. Desperate swinging to try to find an angle that makes it all go away, because it’s so inconvenient.

Unfortunately, I can’t find it in any way amusing the way I often find hypocrisy, dishonesty, and intellectual cowardice amusing, because it all rests on raped women being called liars and used as acceptable collateral damage to an ideology, and there’s nothing amusing about that.

If, for an analogy, someone were to give a racist speech and then receive a backlash for it would that also be "proof the racist made an impact"?

Are you really comparing lesbian women talking about their sexual abuse by male people who identify as women to racists making a speech. Is rape apology on your part not enough!

@334bu

*If, for an analogy, someone were to give a racist speech and then receive a backlash for it would that also be "proof the racist made an impact"?*

Are you really comparing lesbian women talking about their sexual abuse by male people who identify as women to racists making a speech. Is rape apology on your part not enough!

It really does seem like that.

Talking about being raped is like making a racist speech.

Lovely.

I think it is very reassuring that we are now finding that transwomen aren’t that vulnerable after all

www.queermajority.com/currents/tdor-trans-death-and-trans-life

thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/?fbclid=IwAR1NKvJRxUx7w5MjqvubPnGFypKgyuiELKYWotuDETPDlW5cO057vckRIho

Marg who do you think your MRA nonsense is appealing to?

Aside for any passing MRAs who are reading.

But i welcome it, every time you compare lesbians complaining about rape and sexual harassment to racists you show the TRA agenda in a stark light.

I don’t believe you care about trans people- none of your posts would elicit sympathy. You do what every other MRA does- find any weak excuse to slur women.

Do you think you’re saying anything new?

I hope you are right about the younger generation and they do have more empathy and compassion for victims of sexual abuse than YOU.

@MargaritaPie

There is still a very long way to go, but my point was that attitudes towards vulnerable and minority groups have improved in the past 50 years. Generally speaking, each generation is a bit more accepting than the one before it.

You've not studied any history ever, have you?

Do you think the Hitler Youth were more tolerant towards minority groups? What about the young people who led the Cultural Revolution? (That happened in China, if you would like to google it.)

The idea that society is on an inevitable onwards march towards tolerance is ahistorical nonsense. As is the idea that young people are always more tolerant than their elders.

Youth is no guarantee of virtue. It is however a guarantee of less experience. Young people are often vulnerable to radicalisation because they have little life experience or knowledge of history. And strong urges to belong to a group, meaning they are less likely to question groupthink.

If you're going to be ageist, at least try to be historically accurate.

good post @toofer

From the Times article:

“The headline of the piece implies that a significant enough number of trans people are sexually harassing women that it deserves to be reported on,” said a young employee. A different individual added that the BBC could provide balance by writing a story that spotlights the “fetishisation of trans women”.

I wouldn't have any objection to such a piece, I imagine reading about male "chasers" would be quite interesting. Nothing to do with women though.

The BBC has a long way to go to redress the harm they have caused by following Stonewalls agenda against women.

I do not understand how medically castrating children and young people, lesbians and autsitic children was ever allowed, let alone is still allowed.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

From the Times article:

“The headline of the piece implies that a significant enough number of trans people are sexually harassing women that it deserves to be reported on,” said a young employee. A different individual added that the BBC could provide balance by writing a story that spotlights the “fetishisation of trans women”.

I wouldn't have any objection to such a piece, I imagine reading about male "chasers" would be quite interesting. Nothing to do with women though.

Any such crime deserves to be reported upon. What an awful thing to say. How many policeman pretend to arrest someone in order to take them somewhere and murder them? The scarcity of that does not render it un-newswothy.

Yes, exactly.

@MargaritaPie

There is still a very long way to go, but my point was that attitudes towards vulnerable and minority groups have improved in the past 50 years. Generally speaking, each generation is a bit more accepting than the one before it.

Pushing an agenda which says that being a woman is a matter of ‘identifying’ with something called ‘female gender identity’ - never defined even by those who say they believe in it - but which is a set of regressive stereotypes of how women should be/behave is not progressive or tolerant towards women. When brave and exceptional women like Joan of Arc are assumed to be transmen because of course being a brave military leader is not apparently part of a female stereotype it takes us all backwards. When female athletes who have trained for years find themselves ousted from a medal by a biological male, or unnecessarily injured in a contact sport, it tells us that male feelings are put, once again, above equality for females. When girls are told that the male indecently exposing himself in the women’s changing room is there legally because he’s a woman, we say women and girls don’t deserve privacy and dignity. Trans ideology isn’t tolerant, it isn’t progressive, it’s a backlash against women’s rights.

Well said. The idea that moving towards a society in which the vulnerable group here - women - are raped with impunity, cancelled, bullied and have our rights removed = 'attitudes towards vulnerable groups improving' really takes the biscuit.

When all the research shows that actually trans people are the safest demographic, while women are murdered at the rate of around 2 per week; while conviction rates for the most serious crimes against women, including rape and domestic violence, have been shrinking in recent years to the point that there is almost no legal recourse for victims, even as the numbers of these crimes are at all-time highs, to be able to write with a straight face that you think attitudes towards vulnerable groups have 'improved' is unbelievable!

And after a week in which the young generation as you pointed out campaigned to get a lesbian feminist professor sacked for daring to discuss women's rights, to claim that this young generation is 'more accepting'?!? Come on now, that is just taking the piss.

You could only write that if you didn't think women were actually people, or that violence against women mattered, at all.

Unfortunately I think an awful lot of women and children are going to be hurt, and will have to bravely speak up, before legislation protecting women is used to stop selfID men from easy access.

Students love to 'be kind' and don't understand the truth. It's only when it's blatant that they will start to take it in.

Apologies if this got posted earlier in the thread, but Youtuber Shaun has posted a video about that BBC article.

Apologies if this got posted earlier in the thread, but Youtuber Shaun has posted a video about that BBC article.

Another man desperately trying to deflect from rape of lesbians by some males who identify as women. The point of this article is that lesbian women are being coerced into non consensual sex acts by males who threaten to shame them within their community. Males pressurising lesbians to accept penis is both rape and a firm of " conversion therapy"

That does maritime particularly galling that things are now moving backwards at such a pace.