BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

[FindTheTruth]

BBC spokesperson said: “The article looks at a complex subject from different perspectives and acknowledges it is difficult to assess the extent of the issue.

“It includes testimony from a range of different sources and provides appropriate context. It went through our rigorous editorial processes.

“It is important that journalism looks at issues - even where there are strongly held positions. The BBC is here to ensure debate and to make sure a wide a range of voices are heard.”

attitude.co.uk/article/bbc-responds-to-backlash-to-article-about-lesbians-being-pressured-into-sex-by-some-trans-women-1/26090/

Until this year, TENI got a sizeable wad of public (Irish) money.

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Dark clouds have appeared over the nation’s most vociferous trans advocates TENI Ireland, with a decision by the HSE to terminate public funding over flawed accounting.

In emails seen by The Burkean, TENI, a regular feature on the NGO circuit, and instrumental in the passing of the notoriously permissive Gender Recognition Act, has lost the receipt of funding from the Health Executive since June over improperly filed accounts.

Previously, owing to a dearth of public information, The Burkean followed up on the trans industry, andrevealed that the sector received copious amounts of funding from foreign actors, as well as the state’s health executive and numerous state bodies. This was despite a failure by TENI to lodge their accounts in time for the year 2019.

Among the major donors to TENI are the HSE (Health Service Executive) which since 2014 has gifted €1.3 million to the trans militants. In an email seen by The Burkean, officials from the HSE expressed concern over growing controversy at TENI’s failure to file orderly financial accounts. Subsequent to this, money earmarked for TENI from the HSE’s Social Inclusion fund were pulled from the trans advocates until such a point that these issues are ironed out. Similar to this it would appear that €40,000 worth of grant money from the philanthropic group Rethink Ireland is also on ice.

www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/07/29/tenis-troubles-irelands-largest-trans-ngo-has-funding-suspended-over-accounting-irregularities

Well, at least we know now what it takes to get MRApie to stop defending sexual predators.

Spoilers- they have to be not-male.

I think it's a little bit hilarious how men are trying to criticise lesbians for not wanting to sleep with men by focusing on a woman, who knew the person who invented the term to describe it.

🤣🤣🤣

@MargaritaPie

"What has that got to do with this article and the BBC response to it?"

Some on here seem to think being a lesbian porn star is to blame for Lily Cade's little Gender Critical diatribe.

We all have our own opinions, and I think her being a transphobe (am I allowed to use that word here? I know you find the 4-letter T word offensive) is nothing to do with the fact she's a porn actress and is irrelevant to her GC views. I think she's just a transphobe who happens to also be a porn actress by chance.

Keep going.

You intention to distract from the real topic in that article can’t really get much more obnoxious.

How about you address the topic and not the strawman you have hastily copied from twitter.

Do you or do you not believe that lesbians have to right to discuss their rapes and the males who rape them? And they should be able to do so without fear of recourse from anyone?

Do you? Or don’t you ?

Stop it with this crap about someone who it has been explained over and over has no relevance to the core of the article. Only People that lack the intelligence to address that issue attack the inclusion of Lily Cade.

I wonder how funny the women that she sexually assaulted find it.

PurgatoryOfPotholes
That's probably worth a thread on its own. Sounds very dodgy.

I wonder how funny the women that she sexually assaulted find it.

Who is finding Lily Cade’s actions funny? On this thread?

Quite agree with you Journey of the dragons her behaviour seems to be beyond the pale. Fortunately sex predators amongst women are very few compared to males who assault women . 98/99% of sex offenders are male, so the chances of finding a sexual predator in a female only space is low unless of course you make it mixed sex by allowing access to some males who identify as women . Unfortunately amongst this group the chances of there being a sex predator is just as high as any other male group.

So let me great this straight, we can't discuss lesbians who have been raped by trans women because someone interviewed has allegedly assaulted other women?

How is this relevant to the issue that Stonewall which is supposed to be supporting lesbians is brushing this under the carpet and the ideology itself is complicit by stating that having a genital preference is transphobic and by the fact that women are faced by a barrage of rapey threats of social media on a daily basis.

I can't get my head round how talking about Lily Cade is supposed to mean that it's OK for trans women to rape lesbians?

what am I missing here?

Sorry when I say it's OK for trans women to rape lesbians I'm not suggesting that they all do.

What I am suggesting is that the culture of trans ideology enables trans women who are predatory to behave in abhorrent ways.

So let me great this straight, we can't discuss lesbians who have been raped by trans women because someone interviewed has allegedly assaulted other women?

It would appear so. And for knowing someone who coined the phrase being used to describe it.

what am I missing here?

Nothing. Someone who knows the person who coined the phrase cotton ceiling, is being used to discredit the rape and sexual assault of other women entirely by transwomen.

And just in case that gets misinterpreted, there should be a comma

Nothing. Someone who knows the person who coined the phrase cotton ceiling, is being used to discredit the rape and sexual assault of other women entirely,[comma] by transwomen.

"because someone interviewed has allegedly assaulted other women"

And has also threatened violence against transwomen just to add.

"Trans lives matter"- as chanted by the crowd at the LGBT event where someone wearing LGBAlliance attire wasn't welcome.

Trans lives matter"-

That they do. However....the following also are I portany
Lesbian lives matter!
Raped women deserve justice!
Nobody is beyond the law!
Sacred castes should not be tolerated!
Believe women!

I portany???? Should be important.

Lily Cade is a dead-end distraction.

It would be good if the BBC and other media now continue with the honest reporting to present a more balanced perspective.

Before the great controlling cloud started to descend more honest reporting took place as a normal activity. No one was in fear of job threats, rape threats or death threats for saying women are women and men are men. I still wonder how many of the general public know or care about trans labels. I think they do, however, care about the shocking treatment shown to Kathleen Stock and the rape of women (lesbians by TW).

@Journeyofthedragons

I wonder how funny the women that she sexually assaulted find it.

Go put it on the right thread then.

@MargaritaPie

"because someone interviewed has allegedly assaulted other women"

And has also threatened violence against transwomen just to add.

"Trans lives matter"- as chanted by the crowd at the LGBT event where someone wearing LGBAlliance attire wasn't welcome.

How racist to appropriate blm mantra.

No different from the all lives matter crowd.

Lilly Cade is not gender critical. Working in porn of any sort is embodiment of female sex role stereotypes, not critical of them. Knowing a tw is male and a lesbian saying no thanks to fucking them does not mean someone is gender critical, it means they understand facts.

@334bu

I portany???? Should be important.

I like I portany.

I just realised, any lesbian who doesn’t want sex with a penis is automatically GC according to some posters.

I guess all heterosexual men who don’t want to have sex with a transwoman with a penis is GC as well?

And any gay man who doesn’t want to have sex with a man with a vagina? This means that OJ is GC I think?

So many of us…..

@MargaritaPie

I'm not interested in discussing "cotton ceiling" here, I'm more concerned with the fact Cade is a sex predator and her views on transwomen. In particular the recent article she wrote on her website which is a bit concerning. It reminds me of the sort of extreme thing a disturbed incel would write before going off and committing something bad.

Anything like the extreme disturbed incel stuff that these transgender women like to send on social media?

'Cos there rather a lot of it at just one site that collates the material, and there are several sites doing the same. These from terfisaslur.com/ alone.

And the best the TRA's have in response is Lily Cade, who has never been associated with any GC group, never written articles contributed to GC sites, never taken part in demonstrations, never engaged beyond her own Twitter and web site (used to promote her porn work)?

Is that it? Just Lily Cade?

It seems a bit thin. GC's have been observing incel behaviour from TRA's for years now, and the threats are backed by real-life instances of violence. I don't reckon GC's could ever match even 0.1% of the threatening imagery and words of TRA's.

@MargaritaPie

"because someone interviewed has allegedly assaulted other women"

And has also threatened violence against transwomen just to add.

"Trans lives matter"- as chanted by the crowd at the LGBT event where someone wearing LGBAlliance attire wasn't welcome.

Of course trans lives matter.

I feel really uncomfortable with the way TRAs are using Lily Cade to discredit the experience of lesbians though. On the face of it some of the things she has written about trans women are abhorrent but context is key. She will have been subjected to some horrible things in the sex industry. This doesn't excuse all behaviour but she may well feel angry with trans women claiming lesbianism and the fact that people are getting off on so called 'lesbian' sex and the pressures that will undoubtedly have put on her to perform acts she wasn't comfortable with. If you see 'sex work as work' you won't see people like Cade as a victim of her circumstances. There are plenty of abusive men in the porn industry yet you focus on Cade to distract from the fact that lesbians have been raped, why is that?

As for threatened violence against trans women, that is vile but my sympathy is limited with a community that turns a blind eye to violent threats against women who do not comply and hounding women out of their jobs. Where is the horror at the rape threats that JKR and others have received on line? Why the glee at Professor Stock being hounded out of her job by a group of activists who made her feel unsafe. It's outright hypocrisy. Women deserve it don't they, but trans women (the sacred caste as someone put it) need to be protected at all costs.

It's disgraceful. It's deflection.

If we are talking about individual examples and extrapolate those… what about Baby Kardashian? They didn’t really stop at threats if I remember correctly?

It's disgraceful. It's deflection.

It's rape apology using " women are just as bad" as an excuse!

It is interesting observing the Cade-related threads by TRA's on Twitter.

I guess when the swivel-eyed meet the swivel-eyed, all constructive reasoning goes-out-the-window and the crazed expressions of horror and (often obviously faked) outrage ramp-up, with each contributor trying to out-do the previous one.

Cade, who has never engaged with the GC movement, never attended a protest, never contributed an article or essay that could be considered a GC-related one, never been interviewed by the likes of Posie, or Meghan, has been associated with the GC cause. That's one thing, but then she has now been associated with the BBC, which in the Tweet gave her, someone who actually IS dangerous to women, the platform to spew this hate.

Except, predictably perhaps, that is completely wrong, a lie. The BBC never gave Cade a platform to do anything such thing; she was interviewed for the specific purpose of investigating the origins of the 'cotton ceiling' and her words referenced that, and that alone. Her platform to spew hate is Twitter, and of course, her own Web site with her registered domain. The BBC has nothing to do with that.

Guilt-by-association though seems to work in the 'grab-your-pitchforks'. For the crime of interviewing Cade, the BBC gave her a platform to spew hate, though anyone reading Caroline Lowbridge's article is going to be unable to find any evidence for that. Yet religious-inspired righteous rage doesn't require accuracy, or demand a considered response. In the world of the swivel-eyed...the swivel-eyed are king.

The writing style is reminiscent of the 9/11 'Troofer', or the Lunar Landing Doubter movements, whereby any perceived inconsistency or questionable source invalidates any further argument or view. Indeed the language deployed by the TRA's is a mix of 9/11 Troofer, with incel-driven extremism.

The obvious snag though is that Cade's expressions of hatred are eclipsed by the sheer body of evidence of TRA hate, spewed out from social media on an hourly basis and collected-and-collated by sites such as Woke Homophobia: Anti-Gay Hatred, Transcel Rage & Boxer Ceiling Abuse from Trans Activists & Gender-Identity Ideologues, Terf is a Slur TRA Receipts...

Unfortunately the TRA's haven't been able to compile evidence for even one web page of alleged GC hate postings. Add in those sent to just JKR, Helen Joyce, Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater and you are likely on several hundred thousands incidents of spewed-hate.