BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

[FindTheTruth]

BBC spokesperson said: “The article looks at a complex subject from different perspectives and acknowledges it is difficult to assess the extent of the issue.

“It includes testimony from a range of different sources and provides appropriate context. It went through our rigorous editorial processes.

“It is important that journalism looks at issues - even where there are strongly held positions. The BBC is here to ensure debate and to make sure a wide a range of voices are heard.”

attitude.co.uk/article/bbc-responds-to-backlash-to-article-about-lesbians-being-pressured-into-sex-by-some-trans-women-1/26090/

"Lilly Cade is not gender critical"

I happened to have seen her latest blog post before the host banned her website. She is definitely gender critical.

A radical gender critical, I suppose you could call her.

Indeed Secular. The disparity is quite astonishing.

I mean, I wonder if the posters who are on here telling us about Lily Cade (who has written horrific things) also write and complain about, I don't know, the prominent TRA who activates for extreme porn to be legal and the age requirement for those actors to be lowered to 16 while also stating that it is really women's eggshell skulls that is why men are charged with murder. Oh... and also that women were not out there doing customer facing jobs and were allowing men to do it all so that was why more men died at the start of covid.

I have not seen the same posters decrying two prominent activists for their mocking of women's toilet noises and positions this year. nothing.... not a peep. Just acceptable really.

Just focusing on someone who explained the background to a term that they did not even invent. When the real story is what is important.

But they can't own up to their own behaviour of contributing to the act of silencing women discussing their trauma.

"the prominent TRA who activates for extreme porn to be legal and the age requirement for those actors to be lowered to 16"

Who?

A radical gender critical, I suppose you could call her.

Still deflecting from your rape apology stance I see!

I am happy to announce that with those criteria Owen Jones is GC as well.

It seems once it gets down to sex, most people are GC.

What is gender critical Margarita? Have you ever answered that question?

I think I know Helle, you are GC if you are attracted to a specific sex (or both).

Hence why both Cade and OJ are GC. I think some posters underestimate how picky most people are when it comes to their sex lives.

Some TRAs seem to underestimate this indeed - and not understand sex-based attraction.

That is why this article has been helpful in bringing this to a wider attention .

Who?

Someone who has been on many BBC panels. And even consulted the Girl Guides on their transgender policy. Oh.... and one of Diva's top lesbians.

How has written at least one book and some articles on removing the censorship on all forms of extreme porn. Was involved in court about writing about an all girls pop group and killing them (or so I believe) and having sex with their body parts as part of a fictional piece.

(And all that before consulting with GG's, being named a top lesbian and being on BBC panels as a feminist)....

God the tactics here are so weird.

Thread: "A huge bunch of women say they've been raped or subjected to creepy rapey messages, quite a few lesbians and detransitioners are saying there's a problem - also if you look generally online, there's this huge movement against "terfs" over and over again, dehumanising and violently targeting them."

TRA response: "One woman is being really mean on the internet."

... I mean, the two aren't comparable, but even if they magically were - so fucking what? Why does that negate the initial problem of the "cotton ceiling"?

It comes across as deluded narcissism as they appear to want to fight for control, rather than critically analyse others' perspectives.

TRA appear to want the rights to be and to own women. Needing lesbians to validate them as women, by agreeing with them that heterosexual sex (with a penis) is sex between women if the penis-bearer feels like a woman.

They don't want to be open to sex with men themselves as they have boundaries, and that's OK as one rule for them and one for everyone else.

@Helleofabore

Indeed Secular. The disparity is quite astonishing.

I mean, I wonder if the posters who are on here telling us about Lily Cade (who has written horrific things) also write and complain about, I don't know, the prominent TRA who activates for extreme porn to be legal and the age requirement for those actors to be lowered to 16 while also stating that it is really women's eggshell skulls that is why men are charged with murder. Oh... and also that women were not out there doing customer facing jobs and were allowing men to do it all so that was why more men died at the start of covid.

I have not seen the same posters decrying two prominent activists for their mocking of women's toilet noises and positions this year. nothing.... not a peep. Just acceptable really.

Just focusing on someone who explained the background to a term that they did not even invent. When the real story is what is important.

But they can't own up to their own behaviour of contributing to the act of silencing women discussing their trauma.

And only just a few days ago prominent transwoman Jaclyn Moore managed the seemingly 'never happens' feat of equating transgenderism with paedophilia.

GC's and non-GC's responded, but not a single ally was willing to pop-up and either condemn what Moore posted, or offering support. They went mysteriously missing.

That tendency to go AWOL but to go swivel-eyed nuts about someone they regard as an enemy (such as a GC woman, a lesbian, a lesbian porn star) is terribly regular.

It feels like double standards; like the threshold to condemn the colossal amount of abuse metered-out by TRA's is fantastically high for TRA's themselves, but should one woman, not associated with the GC cause, go decidedly extreme in their actions and words, then...wow!

But in the case of say Doc Stock, the threshold is even lower. TRA's can't even quote anything in Material Girls that is transphobic, nor anything she has said or written elsewhere. And the same with JKR. After all this time, no TRA can actually copy-and-paste anything that could be deemed transphobic that she's said-or-written.

If you choose to click on the Tweet, don't be eating or drinking at the same time.

Slutty Lo-Fi girl enjoys beats to relax/study to

At least the weird tactics are being seen by more and more people from lurkers on here to new aware people who read the news or listened to radio this week

Sally Hines is retweeting people saying the BBC article is about (and I quote) "calling for #trans women to be “lynched” and the mother of a trans woman to be raped.

The propaganda is unbelievable. how can this person be in academia?

@secular111
Yuk!!
Love the replies though pointing out that Moore was being disgusting in cosplaying what she called a 'slutty' child. It's so inappropriate. I think Moore is the one with the tattoo of a man with breasts ejaculating?

"Someone who has been on many BBC panels. And even consulted the Girl Guides on their transgender policy."

Could you just say the name? I'm afraid I'm not very familiar with the Girl Guides transgender policy.

Re the BBC article they have added this:

*"Update 4 November 2021: We have updated this article, published last week, to remove a contribution from one individual in light of comments she has published on blog posts in recent days, which we have been able to verify.

We acknowledge that an admission of inappropriate behaviour by the same contributor should have been included in the original article."*

No mention by the BBC of what these comments might be? The fact she has made violent threats towards transwomen amongst other hateful and violent remarks?

Yep, the BBC have taken Cade's quote out

Funnily enough the article still stands and is a valid point for discussion, it's just that there isn't as much context now for where the term 'cotton ceiling' may have come from.

@MargaritaPie what do you think of the term 'cotton ceiling'? Do you find it as vile and disgusting as I do?

I see Twitter is now back to THE SURVEY as the next way to shut up those inconvenient lesbians who just won't do dick and want to discuss how they are getting shit for it, and get the article pulled completely.

They are like a dog with a bone r

Was it the white transwoman who made fun of a mixed-race woman at a feminist protest, for her skin colour?

So, if you're the wrong kind of lesbian (the angry or verbally abusive type) then the BBC won't let you speak out about these issues? Only virtuous sorts can complain?

@Vanishun

So, if you're the wrong kind of lesbian (the angry or verbally abusive type) then the BBC won't let you speak out about these issues? Only virtuous sorts can complain?

It appears the BBC aren't big on giving a voice to lesbians who (allegedly) sexually assault other women.

We acknowledge that an admission of inappropriate behaviour by the same contributor should have been included in the original article."
Good for the BBC taking responsibility.

Now that this distraction from the main thrust of the article, lesbian women being raped by some transwomen and being additionally victimised by threats of being accused of bigotry within their community, can we all agree that this is a serious matter that should be addressed. The fact that the perpetrator of these crimes are members of a minority group is irrelevant. Too often sexual abuse of women and children has been allowed to continue because some members of the male sex appear to be sacrosanct and above justice.

Could you just say the name? I'm afraid I'm not very familiar with the Girl Guides transgender policy.

Try educating yourself, Pie.

Hint there’s threads all over a site called Mumsnet- you may have heard of it.

You know what Margarita you have been on these threads for long enough. I am quite sure that you know how to use advanced search and google. I am rather surprised that you don't know who I am talking about already since you have been on these threads for so long.

None of what I mentioned is new.

With the abundance of information I have given you, you can easily find it.

Maybe you will come back and denounce that male because frankly, their advocacy is very harmful to women and children despite them constantly denying the harm extreme pornography does.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Was it the white transwoman who made fun of a mixed-race woman at a feminist protest, for her skin colour?

Mocked her for being orange toned if I remember.

All this unhinged rage is opening so many eyes. Especially people at the BBC! What numpties these TRAs are.

Funnily enough the article still stands and is a valid point for discussion, it's just that there isn't as much context now for where the term 'cotton ceiling' may have come from.

Strange that! it didn't change much at all.

The initial subject is still untouched by the change.