BBC article about cotton ceiling

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385 including Angela Wild, Rose of Dawn and Debbie Hayton. There’s no way this would have been published even just a few months ago 🤯

Interestingly, the author Caroline Lowbridge did have a twitter account but it appears to have been closed. If that was her choice that was probably a wise move.

Wow - never expected to see that on the BBC! The cotton ceiling was my 'top of the mountain' moment a few years ago, so this will open a lot of eyes to what's been going on.

Nancy Kelly is homophobic

This is so important and those young women need to be listened to. It was especially worrying to read that women who have been coerced into non-consensual sex then feel afraid to talk about it because they don't want to be banished from their community.

Perhaps it's time to email and thank the bbc for publishing this - we know they will be receiving screams of complaint from other quarters.

Can we get this to be higher profile on the BBC website?

I was wondering how this was going down on social media.

I discovered that the journalist has deleted her account, at some point subsequent to having the TRA contingent sicced on her last year.

And the horrific Ally Fogg is saying that the women interviewed are all liars, and he has carefully excerpted the article to bolster his claim that there is "no evidence." I guess he thinks that women's testimonies don't count as evidence, and he's relying on people not reading the article so that they won't see that the next sentence after his excerpt refers to the Get the L Out survey.

twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1452917584249171975

and here's a direct link to last year's Tweet where TRAs found out the journalist was writing this story and summoned the troops against her.

twitter.com/transadvocate/status/1302094708408225792

A rather delicate Scottish actor is having a mantrum about this article.

It’s now the most popular article on the BBC news app

"Ashamed and embarrassed, she decided not to tell anyone."- young lesbian drunkenly coerced into sex with a transwoman.

All those who've dutifully chanted TWAW are indirectly responsible for this disgusting state of affairs.

A lot of work seems to have gone into this - multiple sources, interviews, references, and mentions of a lot more attempts to elucidate responses from other sources (Rhys Mackinnon Ivy, the usual extremely suspect suspects..). Is there a possibility that this has been sitting on a spike somewhere, cast into the outer "transphobic" darkness until the prevailing cultural wind began to change...?

It's conversion therapy in Schools, Reddit, Facebook, LGBT youth groups, Universities, Students unions, colleges. what young lesbians face today in school is being told they are hateful and wrong for being who they are and IT IS conversion therapy. Young butch lesbians asked if they're trans over and over again is conversion therapy. LGBA conference said the biggest next thing is the conversion therapy bill in the UK. As Bev Jackson LGBA says "we are giving drugs to young lesbians in order to correct what is considered to be their wrong gender or their problematic approach to life … it's called conversion therapy". the government says legislation will be drawn up that will put an end to the practice of conversion therapy. But what TRA lobby groups want is the opposite. A government research Report by TRA Dr Adam Jowett (he/him) finished 15 Dec 2020 (not released) recommended a conversion therapy ban ASAP. It's happening in Spain with 5000 women marching against it. It's happened in Victoria Australia, Canada, parts of the USA.

[quote allmywhat]I was wondering how this was going down on social media.

I discovered that the journalist has deleted her account, at some point subsequent to having the TRA contingent sicced on her last year.

And the horrific Ally Fogg is saying that the women interviewed are all liars, and he has carefully excerpted the article to bolster his claim that there is "no evidence." I guess he thinks that women's testimonies don't count as evidence, and he's relying on people not reading the article so that they won't see that the next sentence after his excerpt refers to the Get the L Out survey.

twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1452917584249171975

and here's a direct link to last year's Tweet where TRAs found out the journalist was writing this story and summoned the troops against her.

twitter.com/transadvocate/status/1302094708408225792[/quote]
There's a very simple recourse for people in denial.

Define lesbian.

It's a piece of piss to refute this article. Let's have it.

Now showing as 'most read' article on the BBC news site - fabulous!

I didn't know if that was intentional because of the different:
–(physical) power dynamics of the material sex reality of the people involved v. the cotton ceiling disparity;
–potential to invoke the slur of homophobia (IYSWIM) whether the TW were pre-op, intentionally no-removal-of-sexual-characteristics, or post-op.

That piece was a good standalone. I've just had a thought. Is the BBC going to be flooded by complaints from heterosexual men asking why they weren't included in this? Either pro, against or just because?

I don’t know but I would be extremely surprised if the trans lobby is targeting straight men on this issue in the same way it appears to be targeting lesbians. I’d be astonished if straight men have been threatened and assaulted in the same way. As you say, because of the power imbalance.

They’re deliberately picking on a minority group - a group that’s already been marginalised, harassed, fetishised and subject to horrific practices such as conversion rape since time immemorial.

It's interesting isn't it the lengths they go to to point out how many trans people they asked to comment, even when they were declined.
All absolutely as it should be for impartiality - but compare and contrast the previous stance, where there were no women's voices sought in articles that celebrated trans and totally ignored any impact on women. Particularly anything to do with trans inclusion in sport.

Still I'm not arguing - that article brings in a huge amount of light.

A rather delicate Scottish actor is having a mantrum about this article
He hates lesbians.

I never, ever in a million years thought I’d see this kind of piece on the BBC.

Sunlight.

Right, so maybe a good follow-up story would be to start exposing how widespread claims of women being liars about sexual harassment are in certain circles.

Ask for interviews with these "they're all lying" people.

@CompleteGinasaur

A lot of work seems to have gone into this - multiple sources, interviews, references, and mentions of a lot more attempts to elucidate responses from other sources (Rhys Mackinnon Ivy, the usual extremely suspect suspects..). Is there a possibility that this has been sitting on a spike somewhere, cast into the outer "transphobic" darkness until the prevailing cultural wind began to change...?

I suspect that you're correct.

We're hearing more and more reports that actual bonafide journalists inside the BBC have been in professional and personal distress for some time about what's happened to the BBC's Charter and pledge for impartiality.

This is, of course, well-timed to counter Nadine Dorries latest threats to the funding of the BBC.

Men pressuring women into sex is such a familiar concept, that everything else will just instantly slot into place.

Every time. It's always this.

I think it must be that by now most people working at the BBC will have a family member or friend with a child or teenager who says they identify as trans and want hormones and surgery. These adults can't look at, for example, the Facebook whistleblower stuff about the affect of social media on teenagers and anorexia and not connect it with the elephant in the room with many families they know.

@NecessaryScene

Right, so maybe a good follow-up story would be to start exposing how widespread claims of women being liars about sexual harassment are in certain circles.

Ask for interviews with these "they're all lying" people.

Yup. Go under cover on lesbian dating apps. That'll do it.

Another possible follow-up is explaining why the BBC felt the need to edit these words:

Another reported a trans woman physically forcing her to have sex after they went on a date.

"[They] threatened to out me as a terf and risk my job if I refused to sleep with [them]," she wrote. "I was too young to argue and had been brainwashed by queer theory so [they were] a 'woman' even if every fibre of my being was screaming throughout so I agreed to go home with [them]. [They] used physical force when I changed my mind upon seeing [their] penis and raped me."

@NecessaryScene

Right, so maybe a good follow-up story would be to start exposing how widespread claims of women being liars about sexual harassment are in certain circles.

Ask for interviews with these "they're all lying" people.

Absolutely, but for me an even better one would be to place this article side by side with their coverage of "transphobic" lesbians getting bullied and harrassed and assaulted when protesting at Pride marches and then issuing a BIG FAT GROVELLING APOLOGY...

@ChipsNCurry

Now showing as 'most read' article on the BBC news site - fabulous!

No. 1 Most read on the BBC - this is what happens when journalists are allowed to do their job