BBC article about cotton ceiling

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385 including Angela Wild, Rose of Dawn and Debbie Hayton. There’s no way this would have been published even just a few months ago 🤯

Also, all the apologia is giving me Rotherham vibes. Will that get me banned? Meh, don't care.

@tigerinyourtank

Also, all the apologia is giving me Rotherham vibes. Will that get me banned? Meh, don't care.

Apologia by the likes of Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar, to be clear.

How is any of this helping genuinely dysphoric trans people who just want to get on with their lives without disadvantaging anyone else? I feel sad for them....
TWAs are doing far more harm than good. These people (men) who think lesbians have to fancy them in spite of them being completely unattractive in every respect should just (sorry, I'm, just too polite to say shut up and fuck off)

Unfortunately lesbians can & do experience sexual violence from lesbian partners; I wouldn't write a feature length article suggesting all lesbians are rapists & ask the group called 'All Lesbians Are Rapists" for a quote to back up my opinion piece.

Going back to Finn - the title of the bbc article literally says "some transwomen".

Pretending not to know the difference between 'all' and 'some' is pathetic.

Looking at the BBC news front page and a great deal of the stories are about men killing, harming or stalking someone. Not 'all' men, but some.

It's interesting that they haven't gone with the "no true trans" angle, ie that these are heterosexual male abusers using the guise of trans to coerce women into sex. Maybe they can't do that because they have spent so much time claiming that male abusers would never do that. So now they're stuck with the argument that yes, these are genuine trans women, but there aren't very many of them, and probably all these lezzers are lying.

And as someone else (can't remember) pointed out earlier, the fact of the BBC including "some" in that headline is itself an attempt to dot its i's and cross it's t's to head off that very accusation; you wouldn't usually include it, makes the sentence very clunky and probably outrages some style guide..

The Owen and Ash rules:
Believe women when they talk about sexual coercion
Actually only believe women we say it's ok (and politically convenient) to believe
Don't believe women when the sample size is less than 80
Ok well maybe believe them, but as long as an undefined level of coercion isn't breached the lived experiences of 'a few' women doesn't matter

Trans women must always be believed

@littleburn

The Owen and Ash rules: Believe women when they talk about sexual coercion Actually only believe women we say it's ok (and politically convenient) to believe Don't believe women when the sample size is less than 80 Ok well maybe believe them, but as long as an undefined level of coercion isn't breached the lived experiences of 'a few' women doesn't matter Trans women must always be believed

Yes.

Trans people know who they are. But lesbians don't.

Also still waiting for Owen to confront his own 'societal prejudices' (thanks Nancy!) and welcome men with vaginas into his dating pool.

@RoyalCorgi

It's interesting that they haven't gone with the "no true trans" angle, ie that these are heterosexual male abusers using the guise of trans to coerce women into sex. Maybe they can't do that because they have spent so much time claiming that male abusers would never do that. So now they're stuck with the argument that yes, these are genuine trans women, but there aren't very many of them, and probably all these lezzers are lying.

You’re right; they can’t. “Acceptance without exception”. “I am who I say I am”. “No debate”. That all means that the get-out of “not really trans” isn’t available. (Didn’t stop some of them trying it re WiSpa though).

Pretending not to know the difference between 'all' and 'some' is pathetic.

Yes, there’d almost be a Father Dougal “small/far away” stupidity there if it wasn’t so obviously meant to minimise.

I wonder whether they were similarly outraged by this article from seven years ago called 'Is violence more common in same-sex relationships?':

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29994648

god, how incredibly amazing to see that article

as a PP said, the Nolan podcast breaking stonewall's hold on ofcom is directly responsible for that being published

the content is bloody shocking of course. all those men thinking women owe them sex. urgh

Yes, there’d almost be a Father Dougal “small/far away” stupidity there if it wasn’t so obviously meant to minimise

adds Deliriumoftheendless to list of posters who are really Glinner

I'm really sad and angry at the people who are writing this off as an attempt to disparage a marginalised group of people.

I'm just sick of it.

@2bazookas

So it turns out, even though TWAW some of them carry right on behaving like men who force unwilling females to have sex.

Talk about shooting themselves in the (foot?)

At last, the voice of reason. Are the trans lobby seriously saying that lesbians must be forced to have sex against their will? I think that’s called rape.

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Interested to know how they're wording complaints 🤔 I've done a compliment to outweigh one complaint

I've done a compliment and now I'm getting DP to do one too.

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I send a compliment. Takes seconds, can be done anonymously.

I've sent a compliment. Makes a change!

It's interesting that they haven't gone with the "no true trans" angle, ie that these are heterosexual male abusers using the guise of trans to coerce women into sex.

There are two problems if they used this:

1. It means accepting the arguments against self ID.

1. I think, for the extreme Genderists, being able to sexually coerce women is rather the point of the whole thing.

Lots of well meaning do-gooders say 'it doesn't happen/not true trans' but the true believers say 'suck my lady dick'.

I hope they realise how easy it is for the TRAs to abuse comments systems and make it seem like their opinions are more mainstream than they are.

Compliment sent. A very pleasant change.

Lots of well meaning do-gooders say 'it doesn't happen/not true trans' but the true believers say 'suck my lady dick'.

Same ol' cognitive dissonance. "No one is acting rapey omg" "But suck my dick you transphobic cunt".