BBC article about cotton ceiling

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385 including Angela Wild, Rose of Dawn and Debbie Hayton. There’s no way this would have been published even just a few months ago 🤯

It's Cologne again, isn't it? "Yes, this deviant sexual behaviour might possibly be happening, but the group doing it are very oppressed, so just don't mention it, eh, women?"

That's how people like Owen Jones can immediately conclude the women quoted in the piece are "anti-trans activists".

If they were proper trans allies they'd keep their mouths shut.

What I'll never understand is why, if someone doesn't find you attractive, would you want to sleep with them?

Sometimes you can really tell that MN is mostly women.

@Ghostsintheshelf

It's Cologne again, isn't it? "Yes, this deviant sexual behaviour might possibly be happening, but the group doing it are very oppressed, so just don't mention it, eh, women?"

Exactly the same dynamics. The rights/demands of marginalised (or supposedly marginalised) communities that include men/male people always override the rights/needs of women/female people.

Patriarchal male supremacism, and especially male sexual entitlement, always.

What I'll never understand is why, if someone doesn't find you attractive, would you want to sleep with them?!

Very valid question. Why indeed? I think it happens when you don’t view the other person as a human being with feelings and desires, but as a resource.

it seems this article has caused all manner of outrage. Most trans people aren't out here trying to rape women.

Yes NAWALT and lesbians have Trans allies speaking out against this too, but the context is 6 years of males taking over the definition of what a lesbian is, lesbian spaces, LBG youth groups, definition of lesbian in schools, lesbian magazines and even lesbian dating apps where if a lesbian says she is same-sex attracted she's cancelled!!!! Lesbian has become a dirty word in school and teenage lesbians are called transphobic. A teenage lesbian at the LGBA conference asked "what can I do?" about the abuse she's facing in school and didn't get much of a reply. The tide might be turning now that the wider public are waking up

This is not a long-term strategy, is it.

If it's obvious part of a group is behaving badly, and the media/authorities are deliberately trying to hide that because of the group, then clearly people are going to get increasingly pissed off with the group.

And bad actors will try to infiltrate the group to gain this cover.

The group will get worse and worse, and public sentiment against them will get worse and worse.

The usual suspects trying to discredit this piece are despicable.

They really don’t like lesbians do they.

@donquixotedelamancha

What I'll never understand is why, if someone doesn't find you attractive, would you want to sleep with them?

Sometimes you can really tell that MN is mostly women.

Yeah, there's definitely a theme to the type of people who want to have sex with people who don't want to have sex with them.

Wonder what the common denominator could be...

Well that comment from stonewall finally shows to the public that they are just a group hiding behind the facade of homosexual rights in order to push their own male dominated agenda that says women should just put up and shut up and bow to make superiority. I’ve seen stonewall representatives in large corporate firms effectively bullying staff members -usually female to spend weekends at Pride etc.

Now they are telling people how they should select sexual partners (and there seems a lack of choice). People can sleep or not sleep with who they want, they can use whatever criteria they like in deciding who to share their body with, or are they really advocating taking away consent.

If I was lesbian I would be fed up of being put in fear by a group purporting to represent my interests. I hope every group that currently bows down to stonewall tells them to fuck the fuck off and that this is the beginning of the end for bullying pressure groups

Why is race dragged into sexual orientation on this very thread? It makes me sick 🤮.

It's in the thread because TRAs are likening lesbians to racists and even likening the lesbians in this article to the 'KKK'. I agree it is sickening to bring up racism.

@MedusasBadHairDay

What I'll never understand is why, if someone doesn't find you attractive, would you want to sleep with them?!

Because you are a rapist.

So who are the BBC 'on highs' silencing journalists and presenters - most notably, Woman's Hour and Jenni Murray, but clearly many others as well, judging by Nolan's comments and the 'jokes' I've heard over the years from BBC presenters along the lines of, ooh er, don't want to go near that topic, or the way the topic has been studiously avoided on any discussion or phone in show or coverage of teenage mental health?

@mammajustkilledagnat

Robert Jessel on Twitter

""Today's piece was ready 6 months ago but it's been hard to get signed off on high. It's actually coincidental that it has come at the same time as Nolan and the imminent (although not signed off) Stonewall exit.""

Twitter

Oh god, I haven't felt this good since the DfE changed it's schools guidance

@mammajustkilledagnat

Robert Jessel on Twitter

""Today's piece was ready 6 months ago but it's been hard to get signed off on high. It's actually coincidental that it has come at the same time as Nolan and the imminent (although not signed off) Stonewall exit.""

Twitter

I bloody knew it...

Another lesbian woman, 26-year-old Chloe*, said she felt so pressured she ended up having penetrative sex with a trans woman at university after repeatedly explaining she was not interested.

If anyone can tell me how this isn’t rape I’d be interested to hear it.

I’ve seen stonewall representatives in large corporate firms effectively bullying staff members -usually female to spend weekends at Pride etc.

That would be because they gain ally points in line with the SW pledges that they sign for doing that and it gets included in their reports to SW for their various schemes. I swear that this wouldn't be tolerated in most other contexts because you'd be obliged to state either a conflict or declaration of interest as to the (non) financial or other personal/professional advantage to you.

And the horrific Ally Fogg is saying that the women interviewed are all liars

Ally Fogg is, and always has been, a misogynistic MRA. I used to debate him about rape statistics on the Guardian comments.

@BatmansBat
It is an attempt to position transwomen as a subset of women (rather than a subset of men), like black women, fat women, disabled women, short women. It's why stonewall et al insist on a space between trans and women.

I'm absolutely delighted that the trans community is so outraged - this means that they will surely join us in protesting the incredibly rare group of trans people who say and do these things?

Yes! I agree that no-one is entitled to anyone's affections. But if someone were to say only date Japanese women because they find them more docile or say Black men because of their mythical hypersexuality then it is for lack of a better term problematic.

This is about accepting that lesbians aren't attracted to men.

we are winning

[quote VladmirsPoutine]@OvaHere You've definitely got me there with the police analogy. I bang on about how 'a few bad apples' is an appalling lens through which to view systemic police abuse(s), in fact I take it even further than that.[/quote]
The problem with the few bad apples is that trans ideology has set itself up to contradict itself.

If a man is a woman, but he is heterosexual (i.e. sexually oriented towards women), he has no choice but to target lesbians as partners.

Straight women do not validate him as a woman, because straight women only like men.

His sexual orientation is alive and kicking, of course. And must be accommodated.

So you only have to look at the cohort of men who say they are women, and are also attracted to women, to see the extent of the issue.

I’m heterosexual, I date males. God knows why.

Haha this sums it up, really my feelings exactly!

Could I just reiterate, in bold?

Britains foremost LGBT organisation is calling sexual orientation a prejudice.

You have all been warned.

How anybody can say this without flinching, allow it to be published as your formal comment to the BBC, is utterly beyond me.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

And the horrific Ally Fogg is saying that the women interviewed are all liars

Ally Fogg is, and always has been, a misogynistic MRA. I used to debate him about rape statistics on the Guardian comments.

Quite telling that it was Ally Fogg who was promoted above the line when the Guardian ran that competition to promote BTL commenters to an ATL position.