World menopause day for 50% of people

[OhDear2200]

This has pissed me right off

www.acas.org.uk/menopause-at-work

Interestingly under the law bit gender reassignment is before sex.

I am so happy to read this.. I assumed all women went through the menopause, now I know that it is 50% of people, its pretty good odds that I will be fine! Hurrah!

But but how many trans men go through menopause or get pregnant? I don’t get this.

@Piapiano

There's a bit at the bottom of the website which says something like "did you find the information you were looking for?". In clicked no, said that I didn't understand it and why have they erased the word "women". It's anonymous.

thank you! I've done this too

I added my comments - asked them why they hadn't used the words women or woman, and then asked what or who they are frightened of. Bloody, bloody, bloody cowards, afraid of not getting it 'right' and in the process getting it completely wrong.

@SalsaLove

But but how many trans men go through menopause or get pregnant? I don’t get this.

One way or another every female human who starts ovulating and having periods during puberty will eventually stop. So transmen will go through the menopause, whether at the normal time or early because of medical treatment. Incredibly, some both say they identify as men and want to become pregnant and give birth.

@Sickoffamilydrama

I've actually just pointed out that for people with learning difficulties it's discriminatory not saying the word women means that someone doesn't know it's about them. My autistic daughter (who also has "mild" learning difficulties) certainly wouldn't be able to tell.

It always pisses me off that so much effort is being made for a small less than 1% minority but SEN diagnoses are about 1 in 10 and it's basically ignored 🙄

Yep. Just ignore your daughter. Fuckers. To your daughter 💐💐

@OchonAgusOchonOh

The list of those affected by menopause has some redundant categories in it. They list:

1. those going through the menopause
2. relatives, colleagues and carers who are supporting someone going through it
3. trans people – 'trans' is an umbrella term used to describe people whose gender is not the same as the sex they were assigned at birth
4. intersex people

Surely any trans or intersex people affected either go through menopause themselves or support a woman someone going thought it, otherwise they're not affected?

Or is it just that those extra special people who are not women must be specifically included by name in anything that relates to women 50% of the population?

I thought only the first two bullets were necessary there.

You could equally pointlessly say "people with red hair" or "people over four foot tall".

It's basically those who go through it and those supporting and affected by those going through it.

I wrote a blog for work and only used the word woman. A woman contacted me to say it was offensive because I said menopause affects women in the later stages of their life and she doesn't feel she is in the later stage of her life. 🙄

This is utter woke bullshit.

Sorry, just got a bit cross there. The wry humour up thread is a much healthier way to cope with it all. Thank you everyone.

I wrote a blog for work and only used the word woman. A woman contacted me to say it was offensive because I said menopause affects women in the later stages of their life and she doesn't feel she is in the later stage of her life. 🙄

I would agree with her! I do not consider that 42 was the later stage of my life. Even had I begun menopause at the more normal age of 52, I could still have nearly as many years again ahead of me.

That 'later stages of a woman's life' is a totally outdated perspective, suggesting that the post-menopausal woman is a shrivelled up, worn out old crone, no longer of any interest or use.

@JellySaurus

I wrote a blog for work and only used the word woman. A woman contacted me to say it was offensive because I said menopause affects women in the later stages of their life and she doesn't feel she is in the later stage of her life. 🙄

I would agree with her! I do not consider that 42 was the later stage of my life. Even had I begun menopause at the more normal age of 52, I could still have nearly as many years again ahead of me.

That 'later stages of a woman's life' is a totally outdated perspective, suggesting that the post-menopausal woman is a shrivelled up, worn out old crone, no longer of any interest or use.

I didn't say 42 was the layer stage of life, did I? I didn't say anything about the age 42.

I also didn't say "later stage", I said "later stages" and it is the later stages, that's objective fact.

The fact you can't read those words without thinking it suggests dried up old crone is a you problem, nothing more.

It also just shows how much of a problem there is talking about menopause if people can't help but take offense at it being discussed in an objective benign way.

But it quite easily could apply to the middle stages of life- as people live longer we may have to redefine “later stages”.

Pedantically, 'later stages' for menopause only makes sense if you've previously been discussing some earlier stages. I'd have thought it was fairly much the middle stages tbh. I bloody well hope so!

Wtf didn't ACAS just use the same normal language as in the NHS piece they link to?

If I had said "final stages" or "last stages" then obviously it would be upsetting.

But it is objectively a later stage. Yes, later than the earlier stages, but I'm not sure even pedantically you have to have mentioned the earlier stages in order to refer to the later ones.

I didn't say it was old age.

@Piapiano

There's a bit at the bottom of the website which says something like "did you find the information you were looking for?". In clicked no, said that I didn't understand it and why have they erased the word "women". It's anonymous.

I have done similar. Bloody hell ACAS, you utter wankers

@Piapiano

There's a bit at the bottom of the website which says something like "did you find the information you were looking for?". In clicked no, said that I didn't understand it and why have they erased the word "women". It's anonymous.

Thanks I gave feedback

I've just pointed out their unhelpfulness too.
It's good they had some explicit guidance re trans people - but completely avoiding the word 'women' in a document about the menopause is beyond ridiculous.

@OhDear2200

Oooo didn’t see the comment bit.

It’s the total lack of the word woman and yet the use of trans woman that boils my piss.

Me too.

Fair play to Mumsnet for this article for menopause day.
www.mumsnet.com/articles/sex-during-menopause

I've replied to them and quoted this paragraph: "The menopause is a natural stage of life which affects around half of the population. The menopause usually happens between 45 and 55 years of age but it can also happen earlier or later in someone's life. For many people symptoms last about 4 years, but in some cases symptoms can last a lot longer."

I've asked them to clarify, specifically, which half of the population they refer to and if I should be required to make separate adjustments for my male and female staff.

Hmph.

Classic case of removing any reference to women. I have been wondering though why. Female people is never used? Ever. Cervix haver, body with a vagina etc. Female though? (Yes I know it's because female is being redefined too but these new terms have been coming for ages and female was never ok even at the beginning...??).

And of course another example as all of them are. With replacing a universally known word (women) with something that just means the reader has to translate.
No one would just think. Menopause. Cervix. Etc. And get the gist. It goes. Menopause. Cervix. Ah women/girls. That's who it's about. And you have to know what the words mean and that they're woman things.
New euphemisms about our reproductive organs and processes. This time it's the words. Woman girl female which are too rude to mention. An additional step for understanding, and risk of not having the language/ knowledge to make that step

Awesome. Well done them!

Oh and the term male menopause has been around for ages so they may have extended these protections etc to a wider group then they meant to...

I’ve also given feedback.

Me too. Asked if there was a way to narrow down who might be affected.