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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jo Phoenix is taking the OU to court for failing to protect her from harassment for gender critical beliefs

174 replies

Leafstamp · 17/10/2021 09:50

She says:

I’m taking the OU to court for failing to protect me from being harassed for gender critical beliefs. We need to stop this happening to any other academics.

twitter.com/JoPhoenix1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

OP posts:
CreepingDeath · 17/10/2021 12:18

@Nondescriptname

It's appalling that so many people are behaving in such a bullying way, in our institutions. Do they all really believe they have right on their side?
I don't think they care about right, they just want to bully people that don't agree.

Even if someone doesn't agree with this particular topic, the tactics used to intimidate and shut down discussion cannot be allowed to continue.

prudencepuffin · 17/10/2021 12:18

Up to 18k now - keep it coming. A bit of hope for our universities actually managing to TEACH rather than having to mouth the slogans that some of their students insist on. Well done Jo.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/10/2021 12:19

Helias Goodness, did he not?

I'm still awaiting a response from him on the thread he started. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4356627-Womens-Wellbeing-in-Prisons?msgid=111045818#111045818

Professor Phoenix herself was cancelled for speaking about trans rights, self-ID and the criminal justice syste..

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/10/2021 12:25

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-57170095

DialSquare · 17/10/2021 12:28

Thanks for this. Just donated.
I have enough disposable income for various causes so off to do the same for Your Sanctuary now.

GCAcademic · 17/10/2021 12:32

@DialSquare

Thanks for this. Just donated. I have enough disposable income for various causes so off to do the same for Your Sanctuary now.
Shocking. You do realise that having enough disposable income that you can choose what to do with your money actually makes you a man, don't you?
HumphreyCobblers · 17/10/2021 12:37

Just donated. The report of what she endured is appalling.

FlibbertyGiblets · 17/10/2021 12:37

Keep digging.
Ignore the plopper.

BingBongSong · 17/10/2021 12:39

Donated. Thanks for the heads up!

DialSquare · 17/10/2021 12:43

"Shocking. You do realise that having enough disposable income that you can choose what to do with your money actually makes you a man, don't you?"

I had been wondering but that's mostly down to the swearing, football watching and drinking attributes I have!. My disposable income just confirms it!

FortunesFavour · 17/10/2021 12:43

“Plopper” 😂😂

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2021 12:52

Also donated. This is really important given the amount of GC academics that are being harassed in this way.

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 17/10/2021 13:10

That was a bit of an own goal, wasn't it, @DisgustedofManchester?

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 17/10/2021 13:12

I just checked - Professor Phoenix has raised over £22,000!

By contrast, Christian Jessen has raised just over £10,000 of a revised target of £15,000 down from an original request of £150,000.

GCAcademic · 17/10/2021 13:15

Seems that a lot of us who are no longer paying UCU subs have spare cash in our pockets . . .

ScreamingMeMesaur · 17/10/2021 13:19

Somebody else who doesn't know what 'grift' means.

Eucalyptustrees · 17/10/2021 13:21

It's Leigh Day solicitors too. They have been involved in some huge class actions for employees.

My advice to the OU is to appoint an impartial investigator, apologise and agree to take action. They should not need to be told by a tribunal to do this.

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 17/10/2021 13:24

@Eucalyptustrees

It's Leigh Day solicitors too. They have been involved in some huge class actions for employees.

My advice to the OU is to appoint an impartial investigator, apologise and agree to take action. They should not need to be told by a tribunal to do this.

Oh, I don't know. The OU getting a public spanking over this would be an enjoyable spectacle.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2021 13:25

The OU getting a public spanking over this would be an enjoyable spectacle.

And would be more impactful in reminding other universities of their obligations towards their employees...

MTCoffeePot · 17/10/2021 13:25

Yes, I cancelled my UCU membership last year so try to spread the subs around and have just donated to Jo's crowdfunder. I am so disgusted with UCU for its lack of understanding. People seem far too ready to believe that other people are somehow 'bad'. UCU is a trade union it ought to be protecting the employment rights of workers rather than joining the bullying and harassment.

Eucalyptustrees · 17/10/2021 13:27

I agree with the public spanking, I'm not suggesting an investigation should be secret, quite the opposite. The OU should be public in it's criticism of the staff who bully.

It's terrible that they have to be forced to do this by a tribunal.

Eucalyptustrees · 17/10/2021 13:29

I'm not actually advocating for spanking by the way!

Shedbuilder · 17/10/2021 13:31

No, let Leigh Day do it properly: a fortnight in court with the OU forced to reveal all the internal memos and its policies and meetings. Drag out all the sordid details into the sunlight so that everyone can see this shit for what it is - misogyny and homophobia.

Eucalyptustrees · 17/10/2021 13:34

You talked me into it!

I just think it would be good to see some actual leadership on this for a change.

titchy · 17/10/2021 13:37

@AlfonsoTheDinosaur

I just checked - Professor Phoenix has raised over £22,000!

By contrast, Christian Jessen has raised just over £10,000 of a revised target of £15,000 down from an original request of £150,000.

Weird isn't it. Stonewall allies are so very vocal you'd think they'd be prepared to dig in their thousands. And yet they don't....

Whilst women, with their fluffy brains only good for cooking and cleaning, somehow tens of thousands of us regularly dig and dig and dig. 🤷‍♀️

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