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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Seeingadistance · 14/10/2021 23:24

Prof Robert Winston has just stated very clearly that it is not possible to change sex.

In relation to freedom of speech and Kathleen Stock.

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grannyjacob · 15/10/2021 01:20

I haven’t watched QT for a long time, and politicians like Alison McGovern are the reason why. What a load of waffle, not one coherent sentence came out of her mouth.
Robert Winston was brilliant! A drama student arguing against one of the world’s foremost scientists, you couldn’t make it up.
I’ve already retweeted the “you can’t change your sex” clip on Twitter, might have to do it a few more times 😀

phishy · 15/10/2021 01:20

Fiona Bruce was not very confident on the subject, amd seemed to be afraid of saying the wrong thing. There’s impartiality and then there’s appeasement. Scary when even Fiona has to watch her words.

Mollyollydolly · 15/10/2021 02:52

Used to really respect Alison McGovern, thought she was a rising star for Labour. It's like they've all had part of their brain removed.

Shambolic.

Lord Winston is great, he's been on Baroness Nicholson's webinar, he knows what a woman is.

Can you imagine 10 years ago seeing a discussion like this on QT. It's madness.

Maskless · 15/10/2021 02:57

Cue the tweets with pics of barbed wire covered pink and blue baseball bats.

Oh, no, sorry, I see now it's Robert, not Roberta.

NiceGerbil · 15/10/2021 03:04

Lord W is (obv) in house of lords where there is much more scope to say what you think.

I used to think HoL iffy due to various reasons. Now I'm thankful for that tier. Still issues but. Without it/ or wholly voted in and still party political would not be good.

It's not surprising but interesting to note that across the board. It's things being pushed by males. All sorts of males with different reasons. And when it's got to be raised discussed etc. It's generally a woman wheeled out to say TWAW.

Rhannion · 15/10/2021 03:29

I was cheering both Prof Winston and the woman who spoke about the women only group she ran. Well done to her , I hope she is on Mumsnet.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/10/2021 03:34

Eyes on the prize.

Helen Joyce says that it is men speaking up and being listened to that will (eventually) start to extract us all from this quagmire.

We really have to work on lowering the pitch of our squeaky voices and using the wrong tone. Hmm This ideology goes so deep into people that it has persuaded them to abandon basic science: admitting this would be injurious to people's idea of themselves. Research into cons/frauds advises us to look for people who are in a position to act as 'coolers' for their communities.

Goffman observed that all “marks” eventually come to understand that they have been defrauded. But strangely, they almost never complain or report the crime to the authorities. Why? Because, Goffman argues, admitting that you have been conned is so deeply shameful that “marks” experience it as a kind of social death – the painful end of one of the many social roles we all play.

Within those groups, we can pinpoint influential members who may be turning their backs on Covid denialism, and encourage them in their journey. We can message them offering support, particularly if our reference groups overlap – whether that means sharing the same home town, or practising the same faith. The more shared social space, the better. We might offer to back them up if they get trolled for expressing misgivings about Covid denialism. Or we could let them know that we would admire them for telling the truth.

Those people may not have a television audience of millions, but they nonetheless have the potential to act as “coolers” for those in their reference groups – both online and off. The higher their status within the groups, the more influence they will have in reconciling their fellow travellers to the reality of the pandemic, perhaps enabling them to rejoin society, or at least preventing them from endangering the rest of us.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/09/convince-anti-vaxxers

Igmum · 15/10/2021 04:20

Thanks OP, brilliant section. Have just watched it on iPlayer. Loved Robert Winston, Anne McElvoy and the audience member who works in single sex services. Goodness knows what on earth Alison S thought she was doing repeatedly interrupting. And yes, Fiona Bruce was far less confident on this than on other issues

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/10/2021 04:28

I knew I could rely on this tweeter Grin Managing to take a sideswipe at Stephen Nolan for the podcast series about Stonewall and displaying quite a novel perspective on QT.

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FindTheTruth · 15/10/2021 04:59

Timestamp on iPlayer 39:48

AnyOldPrion · 15/10/2021 05:09

@Mollyollydolly

Used to really respect Alison McGovern, thought she was a rising star for Labour. It's like they've all had part of their brain removed.

Shambolic.

Lord Winston is great, he's been on Baroness Nicholson's webinar, he knows what a woman is.

Can you imagine 10 years ago seeing a discussion like this on QT. It's madness.

There were various rising stars - young/younger women in both the Labour Party and the SNP that really gave me hope for the future. Every last one of them is now falling over herself trying to defend this stuff. It’s genuinely heart breaking.
Doomscrolling · 15/10/2021 05:10

Thanks, @FindTheTruth, I’ll have a watch.

FindTheTruth · 15/10/2021 05:15

has Penny Mourdant significantly shifted her perspective on this?

FROM: TWAW, no debate in Parliament (brother dating man at bus stop)

TO: if we actually debate this we'll find there's a lot of consensus

MeridianB · 15/10/2021 05:22

Thanks for this thread - I shall watch on iPlayer.

Anne McElvoy is always great on the Moral Maze.

FindTheTruth · 15/10/2021 05:22

Can you imagine 10 years ago seeing a discussion like this on QT. It's madness.

Quite. Thank goodness there's a scientist Robert Winston unafraid to speak on the panel. And good challenge from the economist lady to the student in the audience "sorry your views won't be safe and will be challenged at University"

BasiliskStare · 15/10/2021 05:23

Oh thank you for posting this - will watch on catchup / whatever

Bigeggsinapackoften · 15/10/2021 05:33

Just watching this on catch up. Robert Winston is awesome.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/10/2021 05:37

Thanks. Will watch it shortly on catch up. Thought this was apt. Wink

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BasiliskStare · 15/10/2021 05:56

What a lot of waffle plus Robert Winston Smile Give the man a medal
( I actually liked the economist woman as well . )

Cwenthryth · 15/10/2021 06:06

Oh great to hear will watch on catch-up today.

Robert Winston really is the most remarkable human being, his contributions to the advancement of medical science are quite astonishing when you read through them, there are I dare say thousands of people the age of woke university students now, who are only alive today due to his work on advancing IVF techniques. And on top of that his media work increasing public understanding of science, and then going into politics, is truly formidable. I genuinely feel for any earnest gender ideology believing student that has gone and made a fool of themselves on national television trying to argue with him on this.

Ali McGovern is shadow sports minister btw. This should be well on her radar.

JustcameoutGC · 15/10/2021 06:08

I had a bit of e mail chat with him after his amazing speech in the HoL. "Every human being throughout history has been born from a woman"

He seemed to think it was down to poor schooling, that people just don't understand the biology properly. I tried to convince him that it was more akin to religious fanatascism than ignorance but he wasn't quite ready to hear it. I wonder if he sees it now.

Livelifeinthebuslane · 15/10/2021 06:40

The number 10 man (I thinking was him) was good on saying that you get to feel safe by feeling it's okay to disagree rather than a world in which everyone agrees with you.

It was frustrating that the discussion didn't really address that it's the TRAs that are no debate and that women are more than happy to talk, and that it didn't come across how moderate Kathleen Stock is.

The woman in the middle was amazing though!

FindTheTruth · 15/10/2021 07:00

you get to feel safe by feeling it's okay to disagree rather than a world in which everyone agrees with you.

very well said

Purplepeoniesdroppingpetals · 15/10/2021 07:28

@WinterTrees

Sorry purplepeonies - cross post about HoL
Not at all - we both enjoyed the speech, clearly 😁
KittenKong · 15/10/2021 07:32

@WinterTrees

Thanks for the thread - was just about to go up to bed but switched on. I missed Robert Winston speaking, but thought the drama student was pretty silly to stutter about 'science' proving that people could be 'born into the wrong body' when he's in the room.
I might have to watch this. I do enjoy it when people self-elevate their own knowledge and experience (‘I read it on Facebook’) in the presence of an actual expect. It tickles me.
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