There are women who would be ok with TW in female sports.
And again, I say. So what?
It is the decision makers and decision influencers who matter.
There are girls and women who completely lack the empathy for both women who have been traumatised so badly they cannot be in toilets knowing there are males in the toilets or their religion forbids it. Those women prioritise males over females. They have always been in society.
There are those who simply aim to be nice and don’t think/can’t think about the consequences or have been told that there is no negative consequences, or whatever the current mantra derived tactic is. Some are politically motivated too.
But again, so what?
Does that mean we do what they want and shit the fuck up? Or do we continue to fight?
I think people also underestimate how many women have now been called to action after thinking all was ok. The issues came to my attention finally because I had a tweenager and now a teenager. Like so many others, I am now living with the effects of this ideology every day. I would love to see the statistics of the rise of women’s political activation in the past five years (coinciding with Stonewall’s pivot). I think it would alarm some people who feared women’s voices being heard. That is why they silenced them in the first place.
So, again. So what if 25% of women agree males should be allowed in female prisons. Do you honestly think that once the ramifications are made clear to them they will be still?
You keep posting yougov surveys.
Look at the one with the question asking about males using female toilets (or was it changing rooms ???) where they clarified that those male still had penises. Do some actual deeper level interpretation of the results. The numbers in support of this dropped dramatically.
Also then question, how many ‘women’ in that yougov survey were male? How many had personal motivations for supporting it? Of course, we will never know.
Do you ever personally talk to people about it?
I do. People who start out ‘oh be kind’ change as soon as you tell them 95+% retain their penises and that testosterone suppression is not reliable at all (endocrine specialists acknowledge this, it is established fact), that there is no proof transitioning decreases male criminality, and males consistently commit 98% of sex offences (the number of transitioned males convicted of sexual offenses is alarming enough by itself), and a reminder that a HUGE % of women and girls are sexually abused or worse raped in their lifetime and need to have their needs fully considered.
I have not yet seen a person I have discussed this with retain their original ‘males should be included’ point of view.
So, no. Like many others on this thread. I don’t look at those numbers and allow it to influence my view or my actions.
I know damn well that 25 years ago, I would have been one of those thoughtless ones who didn’t give others experiences a though. Until one by one I discovered friends and family who were sexual abuse and rape victims and finally understood their needs.
I also have been on this board long enough to have seen posters with many different motivations use the ‘you are the hateful minority’ argument. It doesn’t any truth behind it. It is taken directly from the clumsy and immature tactics repeated and used across the internet. That tactic is projection and it is not clever at all. In any way.
Why on earth would anyone who has read as widely as many of the posters on this thread be swayed by someone whatabouting about the other women who disagree?
So again, I say So what?