I didn’t see that thread but doesn’t sound good that a whole thread about men in women’s toilets was deleted. Why not just delete individual posts if they break MN Talk guidelines? Otherwise, @MNHQ it will look very bad. Was the discussion was helping women too much? Were women too angry? Were women basically unanimous that they don’t want men around when we’re vulnerable? Why’s that a problem? Why can’t we talk about this stuff on here?
Men in women’s toilets is a real and an evidenced threat to women. I couldn’t care less how that man identifies his ‘gender’ or he doesn’t, I don’t care what he’s wearing or he isn’t in there, this is simply not about ‘transphobia’. You do you. Keep your Penis out of the Ladies’.
Similarly any woman who identifies as a man or non binary or anything else is welcome in the women’s toilets whatever surgery they’ve had or clothes or whatever they’ve got on or had done. Because sex can’t be changed. Women’s risks from male behaviour and male bodies are still there whatever the female person’s age, presentation etc.
I agree that there’s way more to single sex spaces than single sex toilets (like for example schools and colleges in universities for women) but toilets seem to be a particularly urgent focus for male entryism.
Pretty obvious to most women why that is, isn’t it.
It’s an expression of a sexist culture that men now want to remove all of women’s hard-won cultural and physical boundaries that we have from men. And that other people will so readily get behind that agenda. Because it means they hate female solidarity and they love female vulnerability. We can’t escape our bodies any more than they can, everyone knows that nobody actually can. And so female body related stuff where we’re vulnerable is a soft target for a male power grab if they think we’re doing a bit too well professionally or otherwise in society for their liking.
Notice few men are actively campaigning to encourage mixed sex behaviour from women or ‘sex blind’ behavior from women in the other often gendered areas of life, that tend to advantage men- like typical pay in the workplace. They’re not all out in lanyards and with corporate sponsorship campaigning for more time to be spent on male involvement in parenting their own children. They’re not out campaigning to dismantle gender stereotypes are they?
Biological sex and enforcing gender norms on our female bodies seems very important to genderists to campaign on where men’s sexual rights to access women and children might be limited. That is, they seem to focus their efforts on areas where behavioural norms and legal safeguards for women that are specifically aimed at men are needed.
The genderist political agenda at heart is about advancing men’s sexual rights and I think a lot of women recognise that, even if not always consciously seeing it at first. And that urge for more male power is why we get so much shit from men for trying to resist it. Or even if we just try to name it for what it is. Makes them look bad if anyone brings in sunlight to this whole area so they want women silenced.