Why single sex spaces

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the debate about single sex space re trans rights has made me question the basis for single sex spaces in general (and not just in this context) - more philosophically. There doesn't seem much discussion in the various acts as to why they are needed.
I think my question is what do we feel more comfortable being naked in front of people of the same sex- is this nature or nurture/society. I don't think its to do with sexuality as a woman ( and as a girl)- i don't feel more comfortable with homosexual men than I would with lesbians

Very few people will be in a position to intervene in an attack.

It's more a question of whether attitudes can be changed and whether that in turn can change behaviour.

Another issue is that the battered woman will often still side with her abuser over a stranger so better not to get physically involved. A friend of mine tried to step in and defend a woman and she told the police he'd started it!

@334bu I completely agree with your post, women's safety and dignity are the key reasons for single-sex spaces. Also, children use these spaces so safeguarding for children too.

This is bizarre now.

Comments that I've seen a lot though.

This first though.

'Men should be taught to keep women safe.'

NO. Our society needs to move away from the not my problem nothing to do with me thing.

To one when in society it is seen as usual for EVERYONE to look out for each other.

To not pause and decide against calling the police/ telling bar staff/ keeping an eye on something that might be dodgy.

There's so much that can be done that would help generally. I can give examples if wanted.

And also. There's a difference in the way Society acts when men do dodgy things to women/ girls that otherwise.

In general.

See young person grab cash from till in shop and run. Shouts. Trying to get snap. Look which way they went. Police called. People generally hang around to talk to police if witnessed.

See a schoolboy being mugged. I don't think most would ignore. If a few prob then stepping in some will some won't. Certainly though a shout, call police, from other side of road shout I've called the police leave him alone. Stick around check he ok. Wait with him police. Make sure he ok to get home etc. (Dunno if police would turn out for that where I live!). But I think most would keep an eye and check ok.

I mean just off top of head.

And women do step in. Being an act first think later person isn't sex specific. Same as men, some do, some don't.

The way that the things you see. Obscene comments shouted, a girl looking worried about the way a man is behaving on the tube, noticing a young woman is being followed. In pubs and clubs. Grabbing groping etc.

Something about it in our society seems to make it. Up to her to deal with. Not a sort of societal no.

The thing that annoys me is twice I've had blokes say. This happened man was being awful to women/ girls. One wanted cookies for noticing. One didn't know if or how he should do something. Second situation was really dodgy and regular.

I said to the first why didn't you do something? He looked baffled. Like what?
Told his mates who you know to take him home.
Told the bar staff.
Maybe other things?

The second I said look this is really bad. You need to tell boss see what to do. Call transport police. Have a word with him. Something. Just do SOMETHING!

' If we say that only women are qualified to talk about issues relating to the female sex, are we then also saying that only men are qualified to issues relating to the male sex. In which case I can see it wouldn’t be such a leap to think that we might start segregating society along sex lines. I’m which case it’s not such a leap to worry that women might be pushed back to the margins of society. Once again. It just feels a bit regressive to me.'

Seriously?

Very few men have anything useful to say about it though.

Most get very defensive. Certainly I don't see men marching, agitating about MVAWG. I mean. A few. But in general.

If men are so worried then given they have been in charge for always. Made the laws, set up criminal justice system. Are still majority in power and in police courts etc.

If they are interested. Then it would have been sorted years ago.

@NiceGerbil I agree, and no one tells a school boy he shouldn't be in uniform when his phone is pinched, but a groped women will be asked about clothing and judged.

In the sad recent case of Sarah Everard, reports said she was dressed in thick clothing, doing nothing wrong, walking on the road not cutting through the park. She was judged not to be at fault of causing bad male behaviour, but what if she was in summer clothes and walked through a park, would that mean she was inviting it?

Women need safe spaces due to poor male behaviour.

I do not want to go to the same toilet with men. It is not the trans I worry about but the man who commit sexual assaults from groping to rape and murder. Do I want my daughters to go to a basement toilet in a restaurant where any random man are allow in? No way. This is insane.

Oh and also that speaking for other groups risks marginalising them comment.

When the topic is issues that are wholly or predominantly ones that men/ boys face.

Then i listen to what the affected groups have to say. Things like-

Situation re MH and suicide in YOI
Knife crime/ gang activities with boys involved
The particular issues with MH in men, addiction, rough sleeping
Etc etc.

Surely the best picture is gained from listening to those with first hand experience?

And if you feel it's something you want to give some of your available time/ money to (always limited so can't support everything). Then you can raise awareness by sharing the info online or in RL, donate, volunteer etc etc.

Is that not the way it goes?

Enough- she was judged!

On here I saw plenty of comments like. Why didn't she get a cab.
Why didn't she get a bus.
How much had she had to drink.
Why was she even out with Corona.
Etc.

And then from police types etc.
Women need to be more streetwise learn the law.
I'm sure there were more, this is top of head...

I guess it all comes back to everything being women's fault.