AIBU to actually be starting to like the term cis?

[newnameday]

Hopefully this is allowed. Not bashing anyone.

I hated the term cis however this morning it hit me that we may be better embracing it if we can't eradicate it.

We have TWAW etc. But in the next however many years, we may find it easier, for example you're on a dating site "cis woman seeking cis man" therefore you will (hopefully) link with genetically male partners. Rather than "seeking a man" and you may possibly end up with a trans man. Again, no judgement or bashing, however I only ever wanted to be with someone who was genetically male, it's just my preference and I should be able to state this in a simple way.

So you would be able to request a man (if happy with cis or trans man) or woman, a cis man/woman and the subsections of lesbian or gay.

Prepared to be told IABU and sure that someone will likely be able to point out why this is bad. I'm not wanting this to be a bashing thread. I'm just starting to think the term may become useful in the not-too-distant future.

Also prepared this may end up deleted.

I think of it was used in that way (ie on a dating site) it world be viewed as discrimination. I just reject it completely. My sex doesn’t need a qualifier

Why should woman (for people of that biological sex) need a modifier?

It's just impractical. There are far fewer trans women than women, so it doesn't make sense to modify an already well understood term, purely to accommodate a tiny minority, when the term transwoman is appropriate and accurate.

@GreenWhiteViolet

YABU. 'Cis' women are women who have a gender identity which matches their sex.

I do not have a gender identity. I experience gender as the means of my oppression as a woman, and so I do not identify with it. I reject and oppose it.

If you're a woman with a feminine gender identity then by all means call yourself 'cis' - but most of us don't agree with the ideology and so using its terms confuses things.

We used to say 'women-born-women' in certain feminist circles years ago for what you're suggesting - not exactly GC because it suggests there are women-born-men, but on balance it's less offensive than 'cis'.

Ok here it is.

This is the post I expected that 180s me.

This is what I read months ago and completely forgot.

I, too, don't have a gender identity so I suppose this is what I was omitting in my thoughts.

As a PP thinks I had another agenda, I really don't. Stop troll/secret meaning hunting. I was just having a thought I wanted to share. Jeez 🙄 also, if you say you're gonna leave. Just leave. Don't post again to add to it then say you're leaving again.

I hate the word cis and as we are allowed to self identify now I identify as a woman not a cis woman so anyone one using the word cis to refer to me is committing a micro aggression against me.

See if you can’t beat them use their own rules in your favour.

I'm a woman end of. I never use the term cis.

@Marguerite2000

I'm not going to embrace anything that is enforced on me by MRAs. I'm never going to use the word 'cis'. Women and trans women are perfectly adequate words that already exist, and distinguishs between women, and men who identify themselves as women. While we're on the subject, I'm also never going to use terms such as - pregnant people, birthing parent, chestfeeding, people who menstruate, bodies with vaginas, or any other mysoginistic term that a small minority is attempting to coerce us into using. Of course you're free to refer to yourself as 'cis' but I strongly suggest you don't use it to refer to anyone else, certainly not on this forum.

THIS ^. And this:

Forcing the prefix 'cis' upon women is a hostile takeover of language that amounts to a denial of the existence of natal females. The female sex has been appropriated without consent. Use of 'cis' is an act of dominance. Addition of the prefix 'cis' to woman allows men to imply that woman is the oppressor class. This is clearly false, but a useful tool for some. This is the reason why the term 'cis' man is almost never seen. This is also the reason why no woman however reasonable, is allowed to reject the term

I find the term CIS deeply offensive.

YABU

I don't identify into my own oppression.

Well done OP, you’ve been had.

@HandsOffMyRights

'Cis' does not mean 'born as' it means 'on the same side as' and relates to physical location. It is a term that has been misappropriated to apply to anyone who is not transgender. It is used in molecular chemistry and geography and has no relationship with humanity.

Thanks for posting this. I'm sick of seeing certain words grasped, misunderstood and liberally applied as fact all over the place.

For me, the trouble is, I am neither cis nor trans. Cis means my gender matches my sex (cis - same side as), trans means it doesn't (trans - other side). I am female, because that's my sex, but I have no gender. I have never identified with any gender. So to describe me as cis, or trans, or trans+, is wrong, and feels a bit weird.

I get your point but....
Every step of the way women have ‘budged up’ to accommodate trans people.

I’m not prepared to do that anymore.

I’m a woman. I don’t identify with anything, I wasn’t assigned anything, I am an adult human female; a woman.

By giving an inch we’ve ended up in a space where the Lancet refers to us as ‘bodies with vaginas’.

No. No more.

@HandsOffMyRights

Forcing the prefix 'cis' upon women is a hostile takeover of language that amounts to a denial of the existence of natal females. The female sex has been appropriated without consent.

Use of 'cis' is an act of dominance. Addition of the prefix 'cis' to woman allows men to imply that woman is the oppressor class. This is clearly false, but a useful tool for some.
This is the reason why the term 'cis' man is almost never seen. This is also the reason why no woman however reasonable, is allowed to reject the term.

This. And I'm not prepared to give ground on this. First they appropriated woman, then female, some transwomen are now declaring they are cis women and that they have cervixes, that a neo vagina is exactly the same.

We need to say no. If we don;t pushback they will never stop encroaching on our identities as women.

ffs I am 60 and a woman. i don't need to use any made up term

For those who actually read OP updates, I have stated multiple times happy to be wrong.

I will leave with this: I'll stick with the "I am woman" fight for the reasons I have read and agree with.

I will retract my "starting to like" belief at this time.

YABU.

The easiest way is woman and trans - there's no need for me to change how I identify myself, I am a woman not a "cis" or any other descriptor.

It annoys me that because the word "trans" is being used, people have decided that "cis" is therefore needed to identify women. Not needed. It just makes me think of molecules anyway!!

What about the examples a pp just gave you : “white woman”, “able bodied woman” , “straight woman” etc. Or do you think these “qualifiers” are not required either?

it always boils down to "black women = men"
gotta love the woke racism.

It is a ridiculous word.

So you don't obect to being a non-trans woman?

What about the examples a pp just gave you : “white woman”, “able bodied woman” , “straight woman” etc. Or do you think these “qualifiers” are not required either?

Those aren't the same at all. The only necessary qualifier here is "trans" where appropriate.

@newnameday

Hopefully this is allowed. Not bashing anyone.

I hated the term cis however this morning it hit me that we may be better embracing it if we can't eradicate it.

We have TWAW etc. But in the next however many years, we may find it easier, for example you're on a dating site "cis woman seeking cis man" therefore you will (hopefully) link with genetically male partners. Rather than "seeking a man" and you may possibly end up with a trans man. Again, no judgement or bashing, however I only ever wanted to be with someone who was genetically male, it's just my preference and I should be able to state this in a simple way.

So you would be able to request a man (if happy with cis or trans man) or woman, a cis man/woman and the subsections of lesbian or gay.

Prepared to be told IABU and sure that someone will likely be able to point out why this is bad. I'm not wanting this to be a bashing thread. I'm just starting to think the term may become useful in the not-too-distant future.

Also prepared this may end up deleted.

Ciswoman seeking cisman

You think that would be ok with them? Of course it won't! It will be like a red rag to a bull.

Treading carefully as a man in this debate, but this is an interesting point. If cis does mean that, then isn’t it much less of a loaded term? Just a qualifier, and in the same way as “white” or “able bodied”.

You wouldn’t say the word woman automatically means able bodied, so no need for a qualifier (where relevant in the context)?

"Cis" literally does just mean someone who identifies with the sex they were born as. The term can be used as a prefix to both "man" and "woman". I am a cis woman, my DP is a cis man etc. etc.

In most conversations "woman" suffices, as the nuances of sex and gender are irrelevant, but in conversations relating to sex and gender, it's often beneficial to have a term that identifies females who identify as women. Many people (whether those on this thread like it or not) will use women as an overarching term to include both cis women and transwomen.

Where the nature of the conversation means a distinction is required (smear tests, for instance), the alternative language can otherwise get very clunky ("non-trans woman" being one of the less appealing, along with "cervix owners", the latter of which seems a little reductionist).

There is only one sort of woman. An adult human female. No other description is necessary.
A transwoman is a transwoman. It doesn't need the definition of woman to change for that to be true.

@Proudboomer

I hate the word cis and as we are allowed to self identify now I identify as a woman not a cis woman so anyone one using the word cis to refer to me is committing a micro aggression against me.

See if you can’t beat them use their own rules in your favour.

THIS

Yabu.

Why should the trans activist lobby be the ones to tell women how we should describe ourselves? Apparently we’re not allowed to call a transwoman ‘he’ why is a transwoman allowed to call me ‘cis’ when I hate it?

Plus it’s a stupid word that sounds dumb and derogatory.

I think not wanting to date transwomen is now also considered transphobic.