AIBU to actually be starting to like the term cis?

[newnameday]

Hopefully this is allowed. Not bashing anyone.

I hated the term cis however this morning it hit me that we may be better embracing it if we can't eradicate it.

We have TWAW etc. But in the next however many years, we may find it easier, for example you're on a dating site "cis woman seeking cis man" therefore you will (hopefully) link with genetically male partners. Rather than "seeking a man" and you may possibly end up with a trans man. Again, no judgement or bashing, however I only ever wanted to be with someone who was genetically male, it's just my preference and I should be able to state this in a simple way.

So you would be able to request a man (if happy with cis or trans man) or woman, a cis man/woman and the subsections of lesbian or gay.

Prepared to be told IABU and sure that someone will likely be able to point out why this is bad. I'm not wanting this to be a bashing thread. I'm just starting to think the term may become useful in the not-too-distant future.

Also prepared this may end up deleted.

[NiceGerbil]

They would be killed as soon as found out. Assuming they dressed in the way women are supposed to and let anyone see.

Whether seen as trans, homosexual, or just... Sex roles are heavily enforced as I'm sure everyone is aware. Not adhering to sex role whether male or female is not acceptable. And the Taliban are ruthless.

That pondering is to me kind of crass tbh.

Anyone who exhibits non conformity to sex role, or challenges it. Or even is seen to be anything other than totally adhering. Is in massive danger.

Women and girls there are waiting to see if it will be like last time. (No education no work not allowed out without a related male. Public executions of both women and men in the football stadium or elsewhere. Kneel. Shot in back of head.

The hypothetical raised is to me totally out of order.

And I see some funny like my style of posting. So don't read my posts.

And the above is my honest view.

I am not policing anything.. Anyone can post what they want within talk guidelines. That is what is so good about MN. It is not an echo chamber.

And I can post what I feel and think as well in response.

My posts can be challenged or discussed by anyone who wishes.

To question the style rather than the content is pointless really.

If people want to discuss or disagree with what I write then please do so.

[NiceGerbil]

Some people not some funny.

Sorry typo.

[merrymouse]

I think you are right Nice Gerbil.

I have read that men who are just clean shaven are potential targets for the Taliban.

[NiceGerbil]

Last time men had to-

Have their beard grown to a certain length or face being eg beaten on the street by the Taliban morality police or whatever they were called.

Attend every call to prayer or risk punishment.

I suspect they had clothes rules although not as extreme as women still to be adhered to.

Any hint of belligerence, dissatisfaction, non conformity etc was dangerous. I suspect it was probably a situation where reporting your neighbours for actual or imaginary transgressions went on. To curry favour with the local Taliban or just if you didn't like them.

I mean last time was horrific.

They have learnt since then. PR, media spokesperson etc. To give a more reasonable impression to the world.

I don't trust those reassuring words for a minute.

[Harrydresdenssidekick]

I enjoy nice gerbils posts along with many other intelligent posters like curious or red tooth brush or mrex etc. They make these threads interesting and informative.
I was born in the east end of London in the fifties and then moved into a council estate in Essex. My highest academic qualification is an MSc in biochemical pharmacology but obviously not being middle class I must be as thick as a brick.
Weirdly I and my wider family are all in agreement at the use of cis. We will never use it and are also aware that transwomen are men. All my adult life I have been a second wave feminist trying to put women first.
So sorry (not) for stepping out of my box and having opinions. I'll tug my forelock later

[BubbleCoffee]

Cis as a qualifier implies that women are a subset of themselves, and that men can also fit in the 'female' category. This is scientifically and morally wrong. The class of women is already full and the word 'woman' is already taken.

[ComprehensiveTea]

@NiceGerbil

They would be killed as soon as found out. Assuming they dressed in the way women are supposed to and let anyone see.

Whether seen as trans, homosexual, or just... Sex roles are heavily enforced as I'm sure everyone is aware. Not adhering to sex role whether male or female is not acceptable. And the Taliban are ruthless.

That pondering is to me kind of crass tbh.

Anyone who exhibits non conformity to sex role, or challenges it. Or even is seen to be anything other than totally adhering. Is in massive danger.

Women and girls there are waiting to see if it will be like last time. (No education no work not allowed out without a related male. Public executions of both women and men in the football stadium or elsewhere. Kneel. Shot in back of head.

The hypothetical raised is to me totally out of order.

And I see some funny like my style of posting. So don't read my posts.

And the above is my honest view.

I am not policing anything.. Anyone can post what they want within talk guidelines. That is what is so good about MN. It is not an echo chamber.

And I can post what I feel and think as well in response.

My posts can be challenged or discussed by anyone who wishes.

To question the style rather than the content is pointless really.

If people want to discuss or disagree with what I write then please do so.

That pondering is to me kind of crass tbh.
and
The hypothetical raised is to me totally out of order.

I'd like to undertand why you (or the people who agree with you) think that, actually, because it does seem to me that wondering whether TW would identify as such in Afghanistan (as per @00100001 point) IS a good question. So... would somebody mind elaborating (unless it breaks forum rules, of course)?

Also, @NiceGerbil - I'm really sorry, this is absolutely not meant as a personal attack, but I personally find your writing style very, very difficult to read. So sometimes that makes it difficult (for me) to follow your argument. Sorry.

[REDHERO]

@GreekTragedy

we may get to a point where if you're introduced to a woman or man, how do you know if they're trans, unless they tell you.

No!! We can tell! We can always tell.

I think usually pretty obvious. A male friend met a ladyboy in Thailand and had the shock of his life and was out of there, alcohol didn't help the vision. No amount of surgery to make a man pretty would tempt him to go with a man that identifiedas a woman, he just didn't 'see' him as a male because biologically he was male in every cell of the body. Surgery changes the outward appearance but underneath there was a man dressed as he expected a woman.

[BubbleCoffee]

No!! We can tell! We can always tell.

Yes to this. There are always giveaways, such as a deeper voice, narrow hips, broader shoulders, stubble, jawline, bigger hands, male mannerisms, over-egged stereotypical 'feminine' clothes and makeup, etc. And of course, men always smell like men, not women, because of their male hormones and male bodies. All mammals are aware of that difference, without going to biology class.

[SpindleWhirl]

A woman is a woman, and not a man who says they are or who feels like a woman.

I loathe 'cis', and it offensive, and No Thank You.

Oh, and I DON'T CARE if you disagree with me any more.

[BasiliskStare]

I'm not using Cis - I am an adult human female - have all the plumbing -- I think Woman is good enough . & as I am old have given birth & also had mysogyinistiic ( sorry spelling ) and discriminatory things said against me e.g. she does not need a pay rise because her husband earns a decent salary
I deserved the salary rise but I did not get it . Feminism can't be dead & I have lived through this since the 60s

[TheTeaFairy]

No thank you.

Adult human female (woman) here.

[Eyesofdisarray]

No to Cis, a very definite no
#nothankyou

[Duckrace]

No. A name for women thought up
by men, and not men with divine status.

[KittenKong]

I find it annoying as my sisters nn for me was... sis. I told her she had to pack it in.

[anon12345678901]

No to cis. I'm a adult female, no need to put anything in front of it. Trans women are trans women or rather men.

[FloralBunting]

Most women who call themselves 'cis women' are trying to socially coerce other women to comply to gender rules and centre the needs and wants of men. That is a very socially 'feminine' gendered thing to do. So I think those particular women are probably right in calling themselves the 'gender' they have been socialized into, and therefore 'cis'.

What they can't reasonably do is use that phrase for any woman who doesn't submit willingly to gendered rules of behaviour. When a woman says she is a 'cis woman', she's saying 'I willingly comply to the gender I was socialized in'. I don't believe that this is anything other than submission to a social order that damages mostly women. So I view those women with extreme suspicion and mistrust, because they will willingly stamp down other women to gain social status.

In that sense, I'm quite happy for those women to call themselves 'cis' and make it easier for me to avoid them.

[NothingSafe]

@KittenKong

I find it annoying as my sisters nn for me was... sis. I told her she had to pack it in.

I genuinely can't tell if this is satire or not.

[KittenKong]

No it’s not. She used to call me Sis (short for sister). The word just makes my teeth itch.