AIBU to actually be starting to like the term cis?

[newnameday]

Hopefully this is allowed. Not bashing anyone.

I hated the term cis however this morning it hit me that we may be better embracing it if we can't eradicate it.

We have TWAW etc. But in the next however many years, we may find it easier, for example you're on a dating site "cis woman seeking cis man" therefore you will (hopefully) link with genetically male partners. Rather than "seeking a man" and you may possibly end up with a trans man. Again, no judgement or bashing, however I only ever wanted to be with someone who was genetically male, it's just my preference and I should be able to state this in a simple way.

So you would be able to request a man (if happy with cis or trans man) or woman, a cis man/woman and the subsections of lesbian or gay.

Prepared to be told IABU and sure that someone will likely be able to point out why this is bad. I'm not wanting this to be a bashing thread. I'm just starting to think the term may become useful in the not-too-distant future.

Also prepared this may end up deleted.

[Comedycook]

Exactly what it says

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[Jasmine11]

If you are happy to use the term 'cis woman' then you are inherently accepting that you believe there are other types of women than those that are biologically adult human females. You may be happy to do that OP, and if you are then sure, crack on and use the term 'cis' to describe yourself, but don't impose that on anyone else.

[VickyEadieofThigh]

Simply a woman here - I am not a subset of the sex class.

[Joystir59]

Ciscis about gender identity not sex. As a lesbian who mixes masculine and feminine styles I don't set any store by gender identity so cis is a meaningless term to me. I'm a woman.

[PaleGreenGhost]

Good luck with it OP.

It is draining clinging on to our diminishing rights. It is chilling when you realise that if enough males want it, every single right of females can be taken away.

So I get it. Trying to find positives. Be nice, kind, maybe we can work together etc.

You know it wouldn't be enough, right? In your dating app scenario, so called "cis" women who wanted to only date biological females (aka lesbians in dinosaur language) would search for like minded "cis" women. Who do you think they'd find? Males are already calling themselves "female" and "biological woman" ("because I'm a woman and I have biology" is usually the level of argument given). If "cis" turns out to be of any use to women, it will be appropriated pronto.

[BogRollBOGOF]

Woman does the job perfectly well.

Strange how language related to men and their biology is not being "adjusted" to the same extent...

[FireworkParrot]

The female sex has been appropriated without consent.

Why should the trans activist lobby be the ones to tell women how we should describe ourselves? Apparently we’re not allowed to call a transwoman ‘he’ why is a transwoman allowed to call me ‘cis’ when I hate it?

This is how I feel. The "TWAW" movement appropriates an already protected characteristic which no other disadvantaged group would accept. The words are men, women, transmen and transwomen. If someone is born male but thinks that is incorrect and wants to live and be referred to as if they were female then they are trans and that is fine. They are entitled to their beliefs and should not be discriminated against but they are not women and never will be.

[EdgeOfACoin]

What do all 'cis' women and transwomen have in common that they do not have in common with any men or transmen? What are the shared characteristics that unite all 'cis' women and transwomen?

This question has been asked over and over but never been answered.

Until someone can explain what unites all 'cis' women and transwomen under the umbrella of 'women', I will never accept the term 'cis'. I am not a subset of my own biological sex.

[HarrietsChariot]

You can call yourself what you like. You can't impose your descriptions onto other people though.

"Cis" is unnecessary. It's from the Latin "from this side of" ("trans" being "the other side of"). We use trans because it means different to the default. Cis is irrelevant because, if a woman is not trans, she doesn't need a qualifier to explain that.

Police don't issue descriptions of suspects based on what they're not. They don't say "a person who was not male and was not wearing a red baseball cap" - it would be illogical.

We say "transwomen" to differentiate from the default, which is women.

[Waitwhat23]

Cis is almost never directed at men. If you said it to most men, they wouldn't have the slightest clue what you were talking about. In the same way as if you referred to them as prostate havers or ejaculator or similar.

Cis is a word which has been repurposed in an intellectually dishonest way to make women into a sub section of their own sex class.

No thank you.

[Rhannion]

YABVU

[LangClegFlavoredBananaMush]

As so often happens, I look at a thread to find what I wanted to say, said better than I could have myself. Also, if women started trying to "embrace" the term "cis," we'd just get more males claiming to be "cis" women.

[stealthninjamum]

I don't identify as a woman.

I just am a woman. I can see it objectively. Sometimes I wear jeans, sometimes I play football with my daughter, sometimes netball. Sometimes I wear dresses and makeup. Sometimes I do DIY. The concept of gender identity is an irrelevancy to my life.

I would object to being called a cis woman and consider it offensive.

[AperolWhore]

Gah I am so so sick of this bullshit. I a female, a lesbian and part of the LBGT community. I have friends of all walks of life and I am just so sick of this. Kids not being called girls or boys but children and now if I want to date a woman I have to check if they are actually a woman. Give me strength!

I would expect a man who had fully transitioned to call themselves a woman but I would not expect a trans man who hasn’t transitioned or a man who identifies as a woman to call themselves a woman on a dating site. I am not transphobic but your sex is your sex!

[Wrongsideofhistorymyarse]

YABU. There are women and there are men.

[RainbowBriteUk]

@00100001

YABU.

Women are women

Transwomen are transwomen.

Transwomen are women

[YouTubeAddict]

YABU. I’m a woman and I resent having to ‘identify’ as a normal woman who was born biologically female. No-one has the right to force that on me.

[PizzaCrust]

I think my issue surrounding this is surely in 5 years time or so, CIS-woman will become the new ‘woman’. So those who are trans will still feel left behind almost because there’s still a divide between them and biological women.

So will everyone who is a ‘woman’ start identifying as ‘cis’ women because they identify with being a cis woman?

All we’ve done is move the divide up a level. It still exists. And I think the entire point of the whole argument to begin with was a divide shouldn’t exist at all, all women are women and all that.

I just don’t see where it ends.

[speakout]

Transwomen are women

What is a woman to you?

[HipTightOnions]

“it's often beneficial to have a term that identifies females who identify as women.“

What’s the term for females who don’t “identify as” anything, they just are?

[PizzaCrust]

I say what I said above because I can see it with pronouns. Firstly they/them was seen as completely fine option for non binary. Then neo pronouns became a thing. So now a minority are literally calling themselves “pizza self”.

Again, where do we draw the line in the sand?

I just can’t see it stopping.

[RainbowBriteUk]

@speakout

Transwomen are women

What is a woman to you?

Anyone who wishes to identify as a woman. If they were born with male genitalia but feel they are more woman, then all power to them to live their lives as they see happy.

[speakout]

Anyone who wishes to identify as a woman. If they were born with male genitalia but feel they are more woman, then all power to them to live their lives as they see happy.

So I could be a person of colour - even though I am white- if that "makes me happy"?

[HandsOffMyRights]

The TRAs are so aggressive on language of you concede to use Cis woman they will use Woman.

This is the endgame.

[Snugglepumpkin]

YABVU.

Transwomen have that name because they think they feel like they are women.
That doesn't make it true.

If women are ciswomen then they'd have to be transciswomen because the people they think they feel like they are would be cis women.
Whatever word we use to describe ourselves, they have to follow along slapping trans on the front because their word is about saying they feel like they think they are us.

I hate the word myself & using it costs companies my business.

We are not a subset of women, we are women & no amount of screaming, death threats or general bull is ever going to change that.
Transwomen are not a subset of women.
They are men who think they feel like women who can never actually become women. It's a completely different thing.

Women don't need a new word to describe themselves because men who feel that they think they are women are not ever going to be the same as women & they already have their own name.
They are transwomen.