'Rights-hoarding dinosaurs' according to David Lammy

[BlaydonRaces]

labourlist.org/2021/09/anti-trans-members-are-dinosaurs-who-want-to-hoard-rights-says-lammy/

Wish I knew which rights I was 'hoarding'.

[Maddjam]

David lammy is correct. At least he’s logically correct/consistent from the point of view of socially liberal politics.

The socially liberal centre left (not to be confused with the communist far left which isn’t liberal) generally believes in individual rights and freedoms and in ‘liberating’ the individual from the constraints of customs, traditions, biology, economic circumstances or anything else constraining individual freedom.

When the wishes of one group conflict with the wishes of another they tend to stand up for the smaller less powerful group.

Those people stood up for women wanting to advance in a male dominated society in the 1980’s. They stood up for gay people against social Conservatives in the 2000’s. Of course they’re going to stand up for trans people against feminists in the 2020’s. It’s exactly the same principles they are following that the liberal left have always had. Only thing is many people here won’t see that. Nevertheless I’m sure they will continue to vote Labour/liberal left regardless :)

It’s not an accident that all major centre left/liberal parties embrace trans rights with the exceptions being so few they almost prove the rule. They will also eventually end up suppressing speech that offends by taking the side of someone’s ‘right’ not to be offended over another’s ‘right’ to speak their mind. It’s baked into the ideology and will get there eventually.

[WinterTrees]

I'd better go and join the queue to panic-buy some rights before all you other dinosaurs hoard them all.

The women's rights aisles in the supermarkets will be bare before the end of the labour conference, you mark my words. (Hollow laugh.)

[PronounssheRa]

We need a thread dedicated to labour's batshittery which just lists the bollocks coming out of conference week

[Jaysmith71]

Is a trans-dinosaur accessing female-only spaces that 'passes' a Doyouthinkshesaurus?

[TheWeeDonkey]

I keep mine in my gold lamé bag

[ArabellaScott]

ROAR! today I am identifying as RightsAreAPieTops.

Is there a recording or transcript of this speech?

[Jaysmith71]

@TheWeeDonkey

I keep mine in my gold lamé bag

Do you call your bag David?

[ArabellaScott]

@PronounssheRa

We need a thread dedicated to labour's batshittery which just lists the bollocks coming out of conference week

I think we just filled one all up.

We're going to need a bigger boat.

[TheWeeDonkey]

Do you call your bag David?

Jaysmith You're on fire today.

[Lottapianos]

Well it's no skin off his nose, is it, so it's some easy grandstanding. What a fucking idiot. Like some others on here, I always had time for him and thought he talked sense. Well fuck that. Sorry, just RAGING with the clown show that Labour are putting on at the moment

[Abhannmor]

Give your own rights away then - you soon to be extinct diplodocus.

[ducksalive]

Goodness.
If I want sex based rights ( or protections) I'm a hoarding 🦕.
I am small and currently very snappy so going for velociraptor.

DH was on the fence about continuing to vote labour after the rest of what has been said, this should push him over the edge. ( I'd already ruled them out)

Although I don't know how he feels about living with a hoarding dinosaur 🦖? It sounds quite cool in a children's picture book kind of way.

[merrymouse]

He said Labour has historically been “too slow” to understand the structural barriers preventing the selection and election of black men, and called on the party to do “considerably more”.

Woah David, that kind of class analysis would require a definition of the concept ‘black men’, and we all know that kind of thing is just unnecessary gatekeeping by rights hoarding dinosaurs.

[NewlyGranny]

So, how would Lammy feel about a horde of black-identifying, male-identifying ethnically-white biologically-female "black men" packing his short list, I wonder? And what has made him decide the Labour Party already has enough black women?!

Moreover, what am I supposed to do with my vote which is currently homeless and hopeless?

[OldTurtleNewShell]

Wow. That is bad. I'm glad Labour is openly talking about this at least, but right now, I can't conceive of any way I would ever vote for them again.
Not without a complete change in the entire leadership team, as well as the majority of MPs.
And I used to be a bloody member.

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

Moreover, what am I supposed to do with my vote which is currently homeless and hopeless?

I saw a comment today that made me think that women legally have the right to vote - but in the same way as there's constructive dismissal, in reality, we don't have a party for which we can vote.

I know we're urged to put our own needs aside but how many people are being stripped of their rights under a protected characteristic and facing linguistic and legal erasure?

[LolaLouLou]

This Lanour Party conference has been the biggest shit show. I have just heard Len McCluskey on Times Radio promote his own book whilst he threw Starmer under the bus and name called.

Why are Labour not talking about universal credits and the poverty the rise in gas and electricity will cause? They are more interested in in-fighting than talking to the electorate. They are an embarrassment.

[Jaysmith71]

Yes, you have a vote, but the capitalist hegemony deprives you of a real choice.

Thus Spake Old Pa Miliband in "The State In A Capitalist Society."

[Lottapianos]

'i can't conceive of any way I would ever vote for them again.
Not without a complete change in the entire leadership team, as well as the majority of MPs.
And I used to be a bloody member.'

Same here. It's bloody heartbreaking. I would dearly love to vote for Labour but absolutely no chance with this lot

[GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal]

Yes, I feel politically homeless. I can't vote for this Labour MP. My Lib Dem MP is deputy to a man who thinks there should be no places biological men can't go, and hasn't bothered replying to my email asking for her thoughts on how this will effect womens' prisons, refuges and rape crises centres. The Greens are no better. And I can never (never, never, never, never) vote Tory.

So unless Maya Forstarter, who lives in my constituency, takes me up on my suggestion to stand as an independent at the next election, I think I'll have to spoil my ballot.

[EnfysPreseli]

Lammy's grasp on human rights has always been selective and often based on self interest. His views on children's rights appear to be based on his wish to keep smacking his own children. He seems to speak sense on many things , but no depth or logic to his support for different policies. This outburst just confirms what a dinosaur he actually is despite claiming progressive credentials.

[GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal]

This Labour Party, that should read. Not MP.

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

@Jaysmith71

Yes, you have a vote, but the capitalist hegemony deprives you of a real choice.

Thus Spake Old Pa Miliband in "The State In A Capitalist Society."

I am attending the Communist Party's "Women’s equality emergency: The Law; Policy Inclusion or Women’s Exclusion Webinar" this evening - perhaps I shall hear more.

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/womens-equality-emergency-meeting-tickets-170430259494

[ArabellaScott]

On the plus side, it does open up some wonderful new possibilities wrt costumes for demos.

Handmaidens, witches, suffragettes - and now dinosaurs! Actually quite exciting.

[NecessaryScene]

Is he saying that Keir Starmer ain't black?