'Rights-hoarding dinosaurs' according to David Lammy

[BlaydonRaces]

labourlist.org/2021/09/anti-trans-members-are-dinosaurs-who-want-to-hoard-rights-says-lammy/

Wish I knew which rights I was 'hoarding'.

[ErrolTheDragon]

Women's rights - based on sex - can't be 'hoarded'. They can either exist, or not exist.

Why is this so difficult for some men to understand? Or is it that they don't actually give a damn so haven't ever actually tried to understand it?

[ErrolTheDragon]

So... what rights have women actually managed to 'hoard'?
Despite the exceptions under the EA giving explicit rights to single sex services, we haven't managed to 'hoard':
Single sex hospital wards
Single sex prisons
Very few single sex women's refuges
Very few single sex rape crisis facilities

....they've all been colonialized.

[OvaHere]

We haven't even managed to "hoard" the right to be called women.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

The positive is that it is a recognition that females are being asked to give away their rights.
Lammy et al are frustrated that females are pushing back on giving up their sex based rights.
The resistance is having an impact.
Hence the hoarding narkyness, how dare we just not share our things nicely when the blokes ask for them.

Yes, I agree, it's inescapable now that a significant number of women and people who care about us think that women are having rights removed, and the media is picking up on it.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Male people who care about us

[howonearthdidwegethere]

Two more days of conference to go, I think.

I'm certain we can reach new levels of offensiveness and misogyny.

[HatsOnHatsOff]

I can't actually believe this shit show. I've been watching the situation unfold with utter incredulousness for a couple of years but this is actually unbelievable. The leader of the opposition at their annual conference has denied biologic facts about human females and now Lammy has said women shouldn't have rights.
I'm utterly, utterly horrified.

[ArabellaScott]

@howonearthdidwegethere

Two more days of conference to go, I think.

I'm certain we can reach new levels of offensiveness and misogyny.

[HeadPain]

They've all been 'trained'

[bellinisurge]

They are all struggling so badly with even the lightest journalistic scrutiny that the Tories must be rubbing their hands together in glee. This line of questioning is not going away and is eating up the valuable airtime they rely on to get their other policy messages across.
This is only going one way.

[merrymouse]

David Lammy has had 3 children since becoming an MP. Just thought I’d point that out because there is no reason for anyone to have noticed what with him being a man.

Ministerial maternity leave was only introduced this year.

As I am sure we all know there has never been a female leader if the Labour Party.

[howonearthdidwegethere]

I hope Justin Webb is poised and ready to ask Starmer if he believes women can have penises.

If you do this, Justin, we will send you all the

[HeadPain]

Sad that Lammy is a misogynist

[OvaHere]

@bellinisurge

They are all struggling so badly with even the lightest journalistic scrutiny that the Tories must be rubbing their hands together in glee. This line of questioning is not going away and is eating up the valuable airtime they rely on to get their other policy messages across.
This is only going one way.

I'm sure they are.

But they also need to be getting their own house in order because the CPC starts on the 3rd Oct and many of them are likely to get asked similar questions about women's rights. They will look foolish too if they don't come up with answers that make sense.

There's more diversity of opinion in the Tories but some MPs (looking at you Crispin Blunt) are just as likely to say very misogynistic things.

[Jasmine11]

@HeadPain

They've all been 'trained'

But who by and why is what I'd like to know. What is the end game here? Is it purely based on misogyny? How have they all fallen to this brainwashing (or blackmail)?

[EsmaCannonball]

As he's declared that there are barriers preventing black men from becoming MPs, I hope that some savvy interviewer asks him to define what he means by black men and to be very specific about what those barriers are. Does he think that someone born female but who identifies as a man will have been treated in the same way and have the same life experiences as a black man? Does he think that person faces the same barriers as a black man or perhaps a completely different set of barriers? Does he think if these black men identified as women the barriers associated with their maleness would just disappear or does he think they are rooted in some kind of material reality?

[DoctorTwo]

Labour should have been a shoo-in due to Brexit etc, but they, I said yesterday on the Brexit Megathread, tend to open their mouths so they have somewhere to put their feet. It's fucking woeful. I voted Labour in every election from 1983 until 2003, both local and national. I voted Liberal until after 2010, when they threw students under the bus, then spoiled my ballot. Now there is absolutely nobody I can vote for, they all either hate women, poor people or both. It's shit.

[EsmaCannonball]

@merrymouse

David Lammy has had 3 children since becoming an MP. Just thought I’d point that out because there is no reason for anyone to have noticed what with him being a man.

Ministerial maternity leave was only introduced this year.

As I am sure we all know there has never been a female leader if the Labour Party.

I wonder if when he and his wife were trying for a baby he thought there was a 50/50 chance that he'd be the one who'd end up pregnant?

[foxgoosefinch]

It’s amazing to me that Labour’s just been through the antisemitism scandal, and now are throwing themselves headlong into misogyny instead. Why can’t they see it!?!

[Gumbomambo]

Esma they all seem to know what a woman is when it comes to having sex with one.

[RedToothBrush]

@foxgoosefinch

It’s amazing to me that Labour’s just been through the antisemitism scandal, and now are throwing themselves headlong into misogyny instead. Why can’t they see it!?!

Fuck knows.

So far what I have learned about Labour from this conference:

They think labour MPs should get a greater say in voting for their leader than ordinary members. (they aren't great believers in democratic principles and think power should be top down within the party)
They don't believe in biology and think that we should all be Winston and say black is white (they are so authoritarian they think we should be forced to say things we know not to be true and we should be punished if we don't comply)
They don't believe in raising the minimum wage at a time when there is a cost of living crisis, raising questions about just how socialist they are.

I have learnt nothing else about their policies or priorities beyond it seeming to be: party structure the most important thing, institutional sexism to keep those damn pesky old woman in their place and that they aren't hammering points home on a huge economic crisis.

Maybe they have some other interesting things to say, but Labour aren't doing anything but indulging in the culture war, whilst blaming the Tories for the agenda that they seem to be pushing perfectly well without on their own and seemingly incapable of doing any agenda setting on their own which isn't them and us namecalling.

Its beyond fucking tediacious.

What is there to vote for other than 'the tory party are evil, vote for us'.

[littlbrowndog]

That old dinosaur lammy

In an unelectable party

Flailing about like an old movie which went over its sell by date

That’s lammy the dinosaur

[foxgoosefinch]

@RedToothBrush - I’m a former party member and I can’t even vote Labour now. I’ve never voted anything else in my life, but I just can’t do it any more.

The thing is that they are still going on about Blairism being evil. When most of the actual voters would be delighted to see New Labour back! When was the last time Labour had any coherent policies on education, childcare, healthcare, housing, international competitiveness, manufacturing? Corbyn had nothing of substance to say on these; under Starmer they have disintegrated into woke idiocy when the average voter just wants to see an actual education policy, a way out of the pandemic and decent healthcare and some idea of how they might solve the economic mess created by Brexit. And Labour just spin in the wind bleating about how horrid women are.

[foxgoosefinch]

In the despising the voters stakes, though, it can’t get much worse than calling 50% of the electorate names, and making it clear you will be taking away their basic rights because they are “hoarding” them. Silly old bags, how dare you not agree with us about how wrong you are? Vote for us by the way!

[PastMyBestBeforeDate]

Does anyone know what % of Labour voters are women? If we went back to 1997 for example?