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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mridul Wadhwa

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PostingForTheFirstTime · 21/09/2021 11:13

thecritic.co.uk/unclean/

"Feminist women were, therefore, keen to hear what would be said at this latest talk before women’s sector professionals working with victims and survivors of sexual and domestic abuse.

I hadn’t expected the content to be so blatantly aggressive towards the decades of work of feminist women in the field of male violence against women. After a wandering preamble about intersectionality, Wadhwa announced that Rape Crisis history was unclean."

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KittenKong · 22/09/2021 07:57

Brought up in a country where boys are feted and girls aborted for being girls. Uhuh.

FrancescaContini · 22/09/2021 08:04

@NutellaEllaElla

I mean this is shockingly blatant TR activism. How it's being allowed to destroy a fucking rape crisis service is shameful.
Couldn’t say it better myself.
OhHolyJesus · 22/09/2021 08:05

@NecessaryScene

it was plain to see at the party 24 years ago too

Correction for the benefit of people skim-reading - 14 years ago.

Yes sorry, 14 years ago 👍🏻
CreepingDeath · 22/09/2021 08:59

@NiceGerbil

The Scottish govt had a dept write to sites hosting content about Barbie K saying remove it or face court.

A dept that was not relevant to any aspect of that situation.

When you have a govt dept actively seeking out info they want suppressed and using the resource to do that and issue threats, check they have complied.

Because a person whose history and crimes are so incredibly extreme the public would cause outrage at going to a women's prison. At least I assume that's why.

Then something is horribly wrong.

That's the government and criminal justice. So not surprising that complaints about mw were met with a simple fuck off.

BK trial is also absent from the govt site which lists all trials etc.

I mean what the fuck is going on.

I believe that’s the Irish government rather than Scotland.

But you’re right that it’s a stitch up!

We are being lied to and manipulated on a grand scale by a government who don’t care, aided and abetted by the media.

I’m starting to wonder what it will take to change all this. Unfortunately, with Brexit and Covid and everything else, there is too much other big news to keep people distracted. Not saying those things aren’t also important, but it’s a convenient way to keep people from looking at what’s really going on here.

CreepingDeath · 22/09/2021 09:05

@andyoldlabour

So, to sum up. MW is a narcissistic person who totally lacks any empathy with female victims, and has been enabled by other people/organisations who are putting woke points above women's feelings and safety.
Yes, exactly!

For whoever said that MW being trans is not the main issue, it’s because they are narcissistic - that may be true for their personal motivation, but we all know the reason they are getting away with it and being allowed to continue it is because they are part of the sacred group ‘trans’.

SapphosRock · 22/09/2021 09:08

It could be said that pronouns are having a similar effect to rohypnol in this case. MW passes well which I imagine had lulled people into a false sense of security.

Ironically a similar technique to perpetrators of rape.

Using he / him to describe MW makes everything sound a lot more sinister.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 09:37

I was thinking about this last night.
The fact that MW has stated the fact that women are not using the Edinbourough rape crisis center in a lecture must mean there is stastical evidence that women are choosing not to use their service.

In a service as critical as rape crisis, when its found that their numbers have gone down (while there is no evidence that rape has gone down) should they not be lauching investigations? making sure their staff are up to the mark?

They seem to be blaming the clients for the fact they are generally seen as unwelcoming? a stance added to by their lead exec?

They need to publish the stastics that MW has seen and let everyone decide what the right reaction is. Not let MW spout their women hate all over the media. How is that going to improve the confidence of woemen who have been assulted to go to them?

CharlieParley · 22/09/2021 10:13

Their numbers are not going down, Fariha31. Their waiting list was over a year when they closed it last year. It's unlikely to be less than 9 months now (that seems to be about the average).

They know because many many female survivors have told them what effect their rhetoric is having on them. They know because grassroots groups are asking if female survivors of male violence can access the female-only therapeutic environment they need at ERCC. These groups don't do it to be mean or stir up trouble. They are increasingly contacted by survivors who are too worried they'll lose their place on the waiting list, or worried they'll be refused service altogether, if they ask the question themselves.

So ERCC know that survivors are self-excluding because they have been told by these women that they cannot use a mixed-sex service. For more than at least 24 months that I know for certain, but I think it's been more than 36.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 10:25

I see, thanks for the info.

So they are literally being told by women who are in desperate need of their services, a rape crisis service, that they need women only services, and their response is to abuse and gaslight those women even more.
Unluckly for those individuals who are maintaining MW position of power over actual victims, MW is not someone whos narccism is going to be sated any time soon.
I see a scandal brewing.
And we should absolutly be naming and shaming everyone of those involved.

Artichokeleaves · 22/09/2021 10:35

This really plays out as:

We have improved this essential female service by centering male need.

Due to these improvements, less female service users are now willing to use this essential female service.

We must now improve the female service users.

Bonkers. It would be funny if it didn't reflect a total inability to value or care about female people.

Jaysmith71 · 22/09/2021 10:44

Due to these improvements, less female service users are now willing to use this essential female service. We must now improve the female service users.

Or, as Brecht put it about the East German Communists:

The Party, having no confidence in the People, has decided to elect itself a new People.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 10:48

On their website the 'about us' tab gives no info on who is on the board and the 'meet the team' tab brings you to a 'page not found' message, though its hilarously framed as 'you broke the internet'.
Sensitive, not.

NecessaryScene · 22/09/2021 10:54

So I guess MW and supporters can believe that it's not interfering with their service, because they're running at capacity, but they get to filter out the less-deserving Bad women from their client base.

The same number of women are served, and they're those that deserve it more for upholding the beliefs of the Party not being bigots.

They are indeed choosing Better clients.

Evesgarden · 22/09/2021 10:59

I just find it so sickening this man is being allowed to continue, in fact I also find it upsetting.

Women are dirty
Raped women are privileged
Raped women are bigots.

How has a womens Rape Service become all about not upsetting the men? You couldn't make it up. There must be some serious political weight behind this and behind politicians is always agenda and money.

M didn't get their by himself. Some one put him there. Who?

Evesgarden · 22/09/2021 11:03

@Jaysmith71

Due to these improvements, less female service users are now willing to use this essential female service. We must now improve the female service users.

Or, as Brecht put it about the East German Communists:

The Party, having no confidence in the People, has decided to elect itself a new People.

Quite
Vargas · 22/09/2021 11:07

'...our centre is staffed entirely by self-identifying women workers...'

I'm sure that is very reassuring to victims of rape Hmm.

I also see that they're looking for a COO, first stating that they welcome applications from trans women and then saying 'only women need apply' referring to Schedule 9, part 1 of the Equality act. Confused

andyoldlabour · 22/09/2021 11:40

CreepingDeath

"but we all know the reason they are getting away with it and being allowed to continue it is because they are part of the sacred group ‘trans’."

I wonder how they have reached this elevated, untouchable status? It couldn't possibly be the money could it? I know the following is a slight tangent to this situation, but decisions are made and acted on due to the demands of the people who fund the political parties. The demands of the electorate are ignored.
I wonder who funds the SNP, because the LibDems seem to be getting a lot of money to push a certain agenda.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18935834.nicola-sturgeon-refuses-stop-scots-children-getting-puberty-blockers/

mobile.twitter.com/bengoldsmith/status/1203678059347501057

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/puberty-blocker-drug-firm-donated-cash-to-lib-dems-cf3x77nh3

AngeloMysterioso · 22/09/2021 12:56

I also see that they're looking for a COO, first stating that they welcome applications from trans women and then saying 'only women need apply' referring to Schedule 9, part 1 of the Equality act.

Not just welcome, especially welcome.

“We are committed to a diverse and inclusive workplace and especially welcome applications from women of colour, trans women and disabled women.”

I’m sure women of colour and disabled women will be thrilled to have been lumped in with the males for woke points.

AngeloMysterioso · 22/09/2021 12:59

This part from the article also stood out to me-

When the dialogue moved on to how raped women must refer to their rapist, Wadhwa was again confusing in expression, saying:

“If you have a trans person on your case load or if somebody has experienced sexual violence from someone with a protected characteristic and they are talking about them in a stereotypical way, um… as perpetrators and then stereotyping the community.”

To decipher, what is being asked of female victims here is that they do not refer to their perpetrator as male if they identify as female. To tell women how to speak about the man who has raped them is a truly horrific thing to do.

Slightly tangential, but wasn’t there a rape victim who was held in contempt of court for refusing to refer to her trans-identified male attacker using female pronouns? Or have I made that up?

PaleGreenGhost · 22/09/2021 14:58

Sorry this isn't an answer to your question angelo

But the bit that caught my attention from the extract you posted was

if somebody has experienced sexual violence from someone with a protected characteristic and they are talking about them in a stereotypical way, um… as perpetrators and then stereotyping the community

Is MW saying that it is stereotyping to call a male, necessarily bepenised, rapist male? Or is it stereotyping to say rapists are male? Or is this that carceral feminism thing again where women should only report their rapist to the police if they happened to be white and you've since checked their pronouns?

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 15:23

Sorry everyone yes of course bk Ireland. Totally random then.

The Scots govt not publishing consultation would be the sort of thing. The level of obviously dodgy behaviour by our own govts is just incredibly worrying and tbh bizarre.

And I had a post deleted! That's something that rarely happens to me. Can't remember what it said now :/

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 15:25

No deletion email must have quoted someone else I suppose

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 22/09/2021 15:31

Slightly tangential, but wasn’t there a rape victim who was held in contempt of court for refusing to refer to her trans-identified male attacker using female pronouns? Or have I made that up?

Not rape, assault.

"It was notable that when I asked Ms Maclachlan to refer to Ms Wolf as 'she', she did so with bad grace - having asked her to do so she continued to refer to Ms Wolf as 'he' and 'him'"."

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/transgender-activist-tara-wolf-fined-ps150-for-assaulting-exclusionary-radical-feminist-in-hyde-park-a3813856.html

Jaysmith71 · 22/09/2021 15:36

"talking in a stereotypical way" about an offender is attempting to be like referring to 'black muggers' on the streets, greedy jewish financiers or unreliable Welshmen.

So Karen White is just another sex-offender who happens to be trans, nothing to see here, move along.

Grellbunt · 22/09/2021 15:53

It seems that this isn't really functioning as a real rape crisis centre anymore - it's just a fig leaf, to be held up to the international gaze as proof of Scotland's progressiveness...