Woman's hour now...!

[WarriorN]

Eerr what now?

They want our views! Go vipers go!!!!

I think the woke production team must have had a say in the messages from listeners quoted at the end. A woman who said she has no problem with transwomen in changing rooms. The problem is with predatory men.
I despair. Are people really that stupid or naive? Do they think men with bad intentions have post its stuck to their foreheads so women know who they are ?

I felt embarrassed for Christine Jardine. Sounds like a decent ould skin who is hopelessly out of her depth. The interview reminded me of the scene in 2001 A Space Odyssey where the rogue computer Hal is being disabled and starts to become incoherent and confused. Jardine could just have sung ' Daisy , Daisy give me your answer do' . Would have lowered my blood pressure at least.

@Blackandwhitehorse

The BBC seems increasingly open to airing the discussion.. I wonder what has changed.

Exactly this. They are discussing it and pressing it and asking what are not even tough questions (as a pp up thread said- ask the obvious questions and watch the politicians implode).

Finally. Thought it would take longer but the BBC seems more prepared to start shining the light on the issues.

Oh god! That was brutal!
I almost started feeling sorry for her. She answered no questions and tied herself in knots with all the contradictions.
I imagine that’ll be a knoll on her political career. No woman can vote for her after hearing that.

Damn missed it

EB allowing her full Newsnight persona free rein and obviously relishing it.
This has turned into a gotcha question for BBC journalists - a quotable phrase to make the next news bulletin so they are unlikely to let up

I felt embarrassed for Christine Jardine. Sounds like a decent ould skin who is hopelessly out of her depth.

Anyone spouting TWAW becomes hopelessly out of their depth when faced with logic.

I speak from experience (I started off as TWAW because I wanted to #bekind).

@Blackandwhitehorse

The BBC seems increasingly open to airing the discussion.. I wonder what has changed.

Fran Unsworth on the way out?

It will be on sounds

It's worth finding on catch up. Emma Barnett did not let go. The Scottish MP was utterly skewered and floundering.

You can listen on your phone or other devices

I wonder if the news rooms have set up sweepstakes about how long Jess Brammar will be at the BBC Jaysmith71.

@ChloeCrocodile

I felt embarrassed for Christine Jardine. Sounds like a decent ould skin who is hopelessly out of her depth.

Anyone spouting TWAW becomes hopelessly out of their depth when faced with logic.

I speak from experience (I started off as TWAW because I wanted to #bekind).

If it wouldn't derail the thread, I'd be fascinated to know what started you on the way to realising the implications of #bekind.

@Franca123

Christine doesn't sound like Christine really believes gender woo either...... Christine sounds confused

Christine doesn't sound like she got much further than thinking life is about people with cunts being nice to everyone who doesn't have a cunt.

I wonder if it will be edited for sounds.

If all they have is "be kind" then this is going to crumble. If all they have is "you're a fascist/transphobe", it'll stay a little longer but not much.
Tbe Tories are going to have a field day and it won't be pretty.
The time is now to take hold of the debate, Labour. Otherwise you will lose the next election.
If you don't respect my sex, don't expect my X

A woman who said she has no problem with transwomen in changing rooms. The problem is with predatory men. I despair. Are people really that stupid or naive? Do they think men with bad intentions have post its stuck to their foreheads so women know who they are?

I agree. Do they not realise that single sex spaces were created to KEEP OUT PREDATORY MEN. To give women who have suffered male violence a space to heal free from any fear of male violence by excluding men?
They never state HOW they are going to achieve those goals without single sex spaces.

I do wonder how that interview comes across to people who aren't familiar with the debate. Christine is framing it about being nice to people having a shit time, without considering the impact on women.
I fear most people agree with this as they too don't think about the impact on women. Especially as some of the most effected women are the most disadvantaged due to poverty or trauma, who exist outside the awareness of most people.
This movement would never have gained the traction is has if people did think about women and how our experiences of life are different.

“It wasn’t my choice and I knew this had to happen, that a second female parent was way better for our kids than a dead male parent. But shouldn’t have been my decision to make. This was a burden I didn’t want. Only my other half knew who she truly was.”

Belcher added that the law as it stands allows spouses to “use this veto as a weapon to hurt their exes and prevent them from moving on in their lives”.

Make More Noise Nov 24, 2019

'Trans Widows and the Spousal “Veto”: a modern fable of male entitlement'

(extract)
"Did you know that it is an important part of current Liberal Democrat policy to force trans widows in England and Wales to stay in same sex marriages against their will? You’d think a party that claims to be Liberal would want to make it easier for women to leave broken relationships rather than more difficult, wouldn’t you? To suggest otherwise sounds implausible. Well bear with me, I can assure you it is true.

Google “Spousal Veto” and you will find pages and pages of articles telling you what a terrible thing this part of the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) is, and how it allows the spouses of trans people to veto their transition in cruel and unusual ways. You’ll never see any evidence presented that the mythical abusive wife, who prevents her husband’s transition out of spite, exists, but that doesn’t stop her being mentioned in every article. After all as any feminist will tell you, when was the truth allowed to get in the way of anti-women propaganda?

What you won’t find, is anything explaining the effect that abolishing the “veto” would have on trans widows. So here goes.

First of all it is not a veto to transition, and it is gaslighting to suggest that it is. Who could have predicted that trans widows would be treated by the politicians in almost exactly the same way that we were treated by our ex-husbands? Why, those of us with a rudimentary understanding of patriarchy, that’s who!" (continues)

makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/trans-widows-and-the-spousal-veto-a-modern-fable-of-male-entitlement

What Lisa Blackburn was saying in the radio Scotland debate was that there has been no data collected on how self Id affects women

Like self excluding from Edinburgh rape crisis centre or as a religious women self excluding from what used to be single sex swimming sessions but is now mixed sex

It seems as if the sheer numbers of women and now men outraged at the onslaught on our language, rights and especially the relentless targeting of children has had an impact on the media. It's become impossible to ignore.
Add to that the Lib Dems massive stupidity in demanding the removal of all single sex spaces and here we are.

At the BBC, responsbility for a radio programme lies with the producer. If there are complaints, a guest uses strong language, something defamatory is said then the producer is held responsible. Jeni Murray had very strong opinions about the programme and no one took her on. I wonder if the programme took some time adjust after she left, and the producers are feeling braver now.

@nauticant

She's now saying that the most important thing she ever heard was at a LibDem conference: the wife of transwoman spoke movingly about how her husband had had his suicidality solved by transition which meant their kiddies didn't lose a parent. Hooray!

I have been more moved by the plight of children who have had their mother killed by a man (often their father), causing them to lose a parent

Much respect for EB.

I don't get it when "I've got a friend with a trans child" is a gotcha. As if we don't know children caught up in this. As if that, along with single sex provisions, isn't the issue driving our activism on this subject. So, you've got a friend whose child is painfully reacting to the homophobia and sexism endemic in our society? And you are supporting them how?

Where do the Greens stand on this?