Woman's hour now...!

[WarriorN]

Eerr what now?

They want our views! Go vipers go!!!!

Agree with nauticant. And as this is conference season it gives EB licence to push hard on policy specifics.

Did she not say that if a person is under going gender reassignment then the person can go in women’s spaces

But then she said Lib Dem’s will vote with with SNP to have self Id in Scotland 🤷‍♀️

@nauticant

I think one thing that's changed is journalists who like to enhance their profile by showing up politicians as being clueless, mendacious, or preferably both, have realised that if they get a trans activist politician on their programme they can ask them some pretty simple questions and just watch as the politician implodes.

Yes - it has taken some time.

I think the world is moving past TWAM #NoDebate and leaving the the LDs standing on their own. Sitting target now.

I've texted

Bloody hell this sounds amazing!

I've not dared to listen to WH for ages (and I've been a listener since my teens) for fear of becoming apoplectic with rage. But it sounds like it may be safe to dip my toe back in....

EB, all is forgiven! .... maybe!

Text number is 84844

@littlbrowndog

Did she not say that if a person is under going gender reassignment then the person can go in women’s spaces

But then she said Lib Dem’s will vote with with SNP to have self Id in Scotland 🤷‍♀️

Yes, she claimed that this is what the equality act says. Which it doesn't.

@Brumchum

You don't get to rewrite the question

Ooh!

Trans activists have been bullying politicians below the radar for a long time but now that's emerging into the light and well-known journalists are asking difficult questions. If the trans activists go for overt bullying and particularly if they go after high profile journalists*, the result is likely to be the opposite of them deciding to shut up.

Journalists though are still woefully ignorant about this issue and in their interviewing are continually unaware of open goals.

• some like Janice Turner and Suzanne Moore have been targets for years

@WarriorN

ASK HER THE STANILAND QUESTION

What?

@nauticant

She's now saying that the most important thing she ever heard was at a LibDem conference: the wife of transwoman spoke movingly about how her husband had had his suicidality solved by transition which meant their kiddies didn't lose a parent. Hooray!

Relevant thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

@WarriorN

I'm listening again, Emma crammed so much in.

I think she does follow this. She knows her shit

Been biding her time.

Perhaps she's been getting up to speed?

I thought her avoidance of the topic to begin with was because she was a TRA, but perhaps it was simply not something she's been following much so she did her homework before dipping her toe in.

Either way, she certainly seems to get it now!

A good sign-off from EB, a message from a 50-something self-declared "cis woman" who said she'd welcome transwomen at any stage of transition into single-sex spaces and safety is maintained by keeping out predatory men, and the last word was a message about how self-ID is a terrible idea and people walk away from political parties when they adopt it as a policy.

@nauticant

I think one thing that's changed is journalists who like to enhance their profile by showing up politicians as being clueless, mendacious, or preferably both, have realised that if they get a trans activist politician on their programme they can ask them some pretty simple questions and just watch as the politician implodes.

Exactly. 'Desperately Squirming Politician' has never been so easy to achieve.

I caught a bit of this while hanging my wet washing on the airer during my work station break.

I have a new respect for EB.
Christine sounded like a kid failing badly at debating club.

Christine doesn't sound like Christine really believes gender woo either...... Christine sounds confused

14/09/2019 New Statesman
Liberal Democrats decide to remove the controversial trans ‘spousal veto’
A moving debate culiminated in the party conference backing a boost to trans rights.

By Ailbhe Rea
(extract)
The Liberal Democrats have today made it their party policy to remove the controversial spousal veto, a clause in the Gender Recognition Act that allows a trans person’s spouse to block their partner’s gender recognition.

Under current legislation, trans people who are already married need the written consent of their partner in order to have their gender recognised in law, due to a continued legal distinction between “same-sex” and “opposite-sex” marriages. This means a trans person cannot gain gender recognition until either their spouse consents, or they get a divorce.

In a moving debate at the party’s conference this morning, Joanna Belcher, the wife of Helen Belcher, the Liberal Democrat’s prospective parliamentary candidate in Chippenham, told the conference about her own experience of the spousal veto during her wife’s transition.

“Sixteen years ago I was living with a depressed husband who had recently stood over a railway bridge and seriously contemplated jumping. We had two young children,” she told the room.

“We were both trying to work out the ramifications of the realisation that she needed to live her life openly as a woman. It became clear that in order for my spouse to change her legal gender, and for us to remain in our marriage, I would be asked to sign a consent form.

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“I didn’t want to sign anything that said this was what I was choosing. I was supporting my other half, while trying to hold myself and our family together, but it wasn’t my choice.

“It wasn’t my choice and I knew this had to happen, that a second female parent was way better for our kids than a dead male parent. But shouldn’t have been my decision to make. This was a burden I didn’t want. Only my other half knew who she truly was.”

Belcher added that the law as it stands allows spouses to “use this veto as a weapon to hurt their exes and prevent them from moving on in their lives”. (continues)

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2019/09/liberal-democrats-decide-remove-controversial-trans-spousal-veto

Possibly @shesellsseacats

I do know there are many women at the bbc behind the scenes appalling at all this shit.

I've met one at a feminist meeting (news presenter) and I feel so much better knowing she and others are shouting about this.

The BBC seems increasingly open to airing the discussion.. I wonder what has changed.

Missed the whole bloody thing! Will wait for it to go up on isounds or whatever it's called.

GREAT that WH/Emma Barnett has finally got round to covering this issue. Let's hope it brings a lot more sunlight, debate and discussion.

@WarriorN

I'm listening again, Emma crammed so much in.

I think she does follow this. She knows her shit

Been biding her time.

She was hamstrung up to this. That is why. The BBC were afraid of this topic because it was so toxic and divisive. But now it's so out there people like Emma have been finally allowed to ask the right questions. It's also clear elsewhere in the BBC. Nicki Campbell for example a year ago was afraid to say much on this, but now he's no issue today with discussing it. And also asking the right questions. The Labour conference this week and Rosie Duffield really shining a light on this topic. It's funny listening to politicians being unable to state what the word woman means. That will make a few people wake up.

@nauticant

She's now saying that the most important thing she ever heard was at a LibDem conference: the wife of transwoman spoke movingly about how her husband had had his suicidality solved by transition which meant their kiddies didn't lose a parent. Hooray!

Threats of suicide are a common feature in controlling relationships. While Christine thought this anecdote moving I just felt really sorry for the wife in that relationship.

I missed all this but heard the Emma interview Charlie Webster who was abused (along with other girls) by her sports coach. Her programme is on BBC1 at 10.30 tonight.
It sounds well worth watching and of course will exemplify the lengths that some men will go to to seek out girls in order to abuse them.

www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/n7jwz8/nowhere-to-run-abused-by-our-coach/

I missed this due to work and never normally bother with WH. Is it usually available on catch up?

LibDem website (report from conference)
14Sep 2019

The Liberal Democrats have today backed proposals to demand better for all LGBT+ people across the UK and deliver equal marriage.

The proposal, passed today at Liberal Democrat Autumn Conference in Bournemouth, include calls to introduce equal marriage in Northern Ireland, extending existing legislation in England and Wales to remove the spousal veto and to enable the Church of England and Church in Wales and their celebrants to conduct same-sex marriages, and extend recognition of humanist marriages to all of the UK.

Speaking after the debate, Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran, who backed the amendment in Parliament to extend same-sex marriage to Northern Ireland said:

“Despite the amendment that was passed in Parliament in July, same-sex marriage has not yet been delivered in Northern Ireland.

“With the Conservatives shutting down Parliament, and their resistance in the recent past to extending same-sex marriage to Northern Ireland, it is more important than ever that we keep demanding better for LGBT+ people in Northern Ireland and fighting to deliver same-sex marriage.

“Couples across Northern Ireland want to get married, at home and surrounded by family and friends. The Liberal Democrats will tackle the unfairness that exists and deliver on the change that people in Northern Ireland demand.

“The spousal veto allows the spouse of someone who is trans to block them from legally changing their gender, meaning they have to go through the years-long process of getting a divorce before they are able to do so. By removing this veto, the Liberal Democrats will ensure that you are the only person with a say over who you are.”

www.nedbd-libdems.com/equality/conference-2019-lib-dems-call-for-uk-wide-marriage-equality/