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James Esses Case - Evidence-based therapy

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RoastChicory · 12/09/2021 11:53

There has been an update from James Esses, who was suspended from his psychotherapy course as he set up a petition to make sure therapists were allowed to explore issues with gender dysphoria patients and not simply affirm the patient’s self-diagnosis.

Shockingly, it appears that the U.K. psychotherapists association put pressure to expel James from the course. They are therefore also now part of the case. If James wins, this would set a very important message to similar associations.

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Update on Expelled from my university course for holding gender critical views

Dear Supporters,

Thanks to the overwhelming support I received from my original crowdfunding, my lawyers have now been able to draft and lodge my claim. My lawyers are Akua Reindorf, who wrote the Reindorf review into the treatment by Essex University of its gender critical staff, and Peter Daly of Doyle Clayton Solicitors, who acted for Maya Forstater in the appeal that established gender critical beliefs such as mine as being protected from discrimination.

My claim is in the Employment Tribunal, because both of the Respondents provide workplace qualifications. These are litigated in the Employment Tribunal because of section 53 of the Equality Act 2010.

The First Respondent is Metanoia. The acts of discrimination I am litigating are set out in my original crowdfunding page.

The Second Respondent is UKCP, the United Kingdom Council for Psychotherapy. This is the main registration body for councillors and psychotherapists in the UK. These are not regulated professions, so they don’t have a regulator in the same way that Doctors have the General Medical Council, or solicitors have the Solicitors Regulation Authority. But UKCP is in many ways a quasi-regulator, because registration with the UKCP (or one other counterpart) is required in order to qualify formally as a counsellor or psychotherapist.

It has come to light in Subject Access Request responses that UKCP were far more involved in Metanoia’s actions towards me than I had previously realised. Metanoia were liaising with UKCP, who were putting pressure on Metanoia in how they dealt with me. My claim is therefore also against UKCP, on the basis that its actions instructed, caused or induced Metanoia’s discrimination against me, as well as those actions being discriminatory against me in their own right. As with Metanoia, I am litigating against UKCP on the basis that it is a qualifications body, but also on the basis that it is a Trade Association – both of these are within the Employment Tribunal’s jurisdiction under the Equality Act 2010.

This is, as far as I am aware, the first claim for gender critical belief discrimination brought against a registration body or quasi-regulator like UKCP. This is therefore an important case because it will have relevance for other regulators and other regulated professions.

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TheBiologyStupid · 13/06/2022 14:59

anaily · 12/09/2021 13:16

GC philosophy is boys will be boys, girls will be girls. That any other combination is wrong and needs to be corrected. No deviation or anything.

I don't think you've got a grip on what gender critical beliefs entail anaily! Not "boys will be boys", but rather "boys are boys, but let's get rid of stereotypical definitions of what that means about how they should dress, play, and behave".

Helleofabore · 13/06/2022 16:10

James has Akua Reindorf as his barrister. I am looking forward to hearing her in action.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 13/06/2022 16:44

anaily · 12/09/2021 12:58

The main stigma and mockery comes from GC people telling them to conform to gender stereotypes according to their anatomy. The reality is they are trans.

No, GC people are the ones who DO NOT tell anyone to conform to sex/gender stereotypes. We say stereotypes are outdated rubbish, and no one has to conform to them. That has been the standard feminist view for at least 50 years in my experience.

Girls don’t have to wear pink, and liking pink does not make you a girl. Similarly, riding a motorbike doesn’t make you a boy, and boys don’t have to like motorbikes.

It’s the gender identity movement that says gender non-conforming children are ‘born in the wrong body’. Feminists and other GC people know that no one is born in the wrong body. If you’re distressed by not conforming to a gender stereotype, then you need to be away from people — such as the gender identity movement — who try to enforce those stereotypes on you.

Jeez, how many times do we have to repeat this simple fact?

ickky · 13/06/2022 16:45

I just chanced upon this on twitter. I will be watching, if I get the access pin in time.

FunnyTalks · 13/06/2022 16:58

TheBiologyStupid · 13/06/2022 14:59

I don't think you've got a grip on what gender critical beliefs entail anaily! Not "boys will be boys", but rather "boys are boys, but let's get rid of stereotypical definitions of what that means about how they should dress, play, and behave".

Wow. I'd have guessed this poster to be new to this board, only I recognise the name.

Feminists believe biology to be the only restriction on being a girl or boy, woman or man. People can dress, present, be, do, love however they want. Adults can even choose surgery or hormones, but our sexes remain. In the same way gravity continues to exist despite me boarding a plane. This is not incompatible with being trans either. Not all trans people try to override women's boundaries or force previously single sex services to become single gender.

I really wish TRAs would not misrepresent feminists when attempting to argue against us. I struggle to see the point, if they don't actually understand what feminists think! What is the end game? To further divide women /left wing politics?

TheBiologyStupid · 13/06/2022 18:49

FunnyTalks · 13/06/2022 16:58

Wow. I'd have guessed this poster to be new to this board, only I recognise the name.

Feminists believe biology to be the only restriction on being a girl or boy, woman or man. People can dress, present, be, do, love however they want. Adults can even choose surgery or hormones, but our sexes remain. In the same way gravity continues to exist despite me boarding a plane. This is not incompatible with being trans either. Not all trans people try to override women's boundaries or force previously single sex services to become single gender.

I really wish TRAs would not misrepresent feminists when attempting to argue against us. I struggle to see the point, if they don't actually understand what feminists think! What is the end game? To further divide women /left wing politics?

Good grief - I'm not sure how what I said makes me seem to be a TRA. "Boys are biological boys, but lets get rid of stereotypical definitions ... " if that helps?!

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