Not enjoying the Janey Godley pile on....

[rabbitwoman]

Haven't seen a thread on this, although there is a bit on the end of the NS thread at the moment.

But Godley was very outspoken against anyone questioning the trans rights agenda, and is someone who gleefully and happily reports, blocks and let's lose a barrage of very foul mouthed abuse to anyone who disagrees with her on twitter.

However, I am not enjoying her twitter take down this evening. I would much prefer a complete turn around and all the oldest voices to use this as an opportunity to call for a more reasonable debate.

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Sorry she got called out. Like bringing on board Chubby Brown or Bernard Manning for a public facing campaign.

(She was sorry that she got called out..., not sorry that she did it).

I thought her voice overs were brilliant, but then she came for the feminists and I got blocked.

Sturgeon giving her a paid job reeks of cronyism and the lack of due diligence is mind boggling.

Someone called it 'offence archaeology', digging deep into someone's social media to pull out something cancel worthy. You'd think the bright young things in the Scottish Parly would have all this covered.

Who wins? Cancel culture keeps on thriving, because it's just the sweetest feeling when the people who love to play the good guys shitting on the baddies turn out to be just as hateful themselves.

Godley cancelled feminism so she can enjoy her erasure as far as I'm concerned, but as a human being I hope she's OK.

@KittenKong

I love the idea of her apologising to Snoop and her saying ‘and who the hell are you?’

I may be wrong but I take Godley was abhorrently inappropriate in her comments about young, black performers on a television competition?

And there seem to be (possibly very unpleasant) Twitter users to whom she responded and directed (?) others.

They might not accept her apology but she needs to make those apologies not least because she currently has some understanding of what it is like to be criticised to a large audience.

And, yes to the sinister overtones of the people who are convinced that they have an infallible moral compass for deciding who should be excluded from 'communities' (after failing re-education).

So, how are we defining 'pile on' here? Those of us who give no fucks about Godley are being tutted at for our callous dismissal of her 'heartfelt apology' because it's wrong for lots of people to angrily criticize racist and ableist language?

Because I thought a pile on was when a person with a very large and loyal following picks on someone smaller with whom they have an disagreement and that person then has to deal with an avalance of notifications and abuse.

I see it happening to small TRA accounts from some GCs who like the argy bargy, and I avoid it because it looks like a complete waste of time, so if you meant that sort of pile on, then sure, not great, best avoided.

But I am quite happy for shits like Boyle and Godley to see very clearly what people think of their nasty statements. That's what should happen when people say these things. It's not about whether or not her apology is genuine. I don't care either way. She definitely should apologize, but apologies aren't magic wands that make everything disappear. If it is genuine and she is honestly mortified that she said those things, then she'll be agreeing with everyone who is reiterating how bloody awful it is to say those things.

Yes, the schadenfreude is one thing. But this is not 'a pile on'. She's getting just desserts and everyone who is racist, ableist, homophobic and sexist should.

@Ekofisk

The journo is Jamie Ross - he’s a Scottish reporter based in London, formerly Scotland correspondent for Buzzfeed and ex BBC Scotland.

Thanks for the explanation.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/farewell-then-aunt-lydia/comments#comment-2827874

Glinner is a bit gleeful but then I can see his point. Interesting comments, worth reading, including pointing me to this:

twitter.com/MhairiHunter/status/1435937457065897989

which is so hypocritical it induces vertigo.

I haven't really followed this story at all, not being Scottish, but I do follow Paul Sinha, who seems to have been on the receiving end of one unpleasant tweet from JG, and his comment was.
"Checking the Janey Godley tag.
When incel meets cancel it is pretty damn ugly."

I can't face checking myself, but can imagine that this has given an excuse to the usual suspects to pile on in a fully misogynistic way.

Glinner is a bit gleeful but then I can see his point. Interesting comments, worth reading, including pointing me to this:

Schadenfreude is understandable but I find that post rebarbative.

Yes, to the Hunter comment and her belief in her unwavering compass in allocating redemption.

I've also seen an interesting comment (that I don't think is equivalent) challenging who gets to write the handbook of acceptable behaviour when Sturgeon is shouting and heckling in the govt. chamber.

@ItllBeOverByChristmas

I haven't really followed this story at all, not being Scottish, but I do follow Paul Sinha, who seems to have been on the receiving end of one unpleasant tweet from JG, and his comment was. "Checking the Janey Godley tag. When incel meets cancel it is pretty damn ugly."

I can't face checking myself, but can imagine that this has given an excuse to the usual suspects to pile on in a fully misogynistic way.

FloralBunting's post explains it well. Who are "the usual suspects"?

What is "misogynistic" about pointing out how odious her tweets were? And what a hypocrite she , and for that matter, her apologists are?

You'd think the bright young things in the Scottish Parly would have all this covered.

Agree, but the assumption seems to be that somebody who regularly spouts off on Twitter must be fine if they seem to be in the right tribe, not that somebody who regularly spouts off on Twitter could be a liability and may at the very least have upset lots of people. The naivety is surprising.

I simply meant that my suspicion, based on Sinha's tweet is that some incels/misogynists have gleefully taken the opportunity to make grim misogynist attacks on a woman under the fig leaf of her being in the wrong. We've all seen the sort of thing that happens - personal sex-based attacks which have nothing to do with the pretext of the thing that she did wrong.

Not talking about people who just point out how wrong the things she said were.

The hypocrisy on display by Mhairi Hunter is awesome.

ItllBeOverByChristmas I haven't seen anything criticising Godley on the basis you suggest.

Godley Tweeted more than 200 times at 50 Cent in 2012, picked up on this thread in 2019:

twitter.com/politicaiicious/status/1188539137088983042?s=21

That's how I understood your post and Sinha's comment ItllBeOverByChristmas.

[quote Ekofisk]Godley Tweeted more than 200 times at 50 Cent in 2012, picked up on this thread in 2019:

twitter.com/politicaiicious/status/1188539137088983042?s=21[/quote]
Rather ironically that's not dissimilar to the bizarre twitter obsession Trump had with Kristen Stewart.

I don’t like the inference on this thread that we should ‘go high’ when faced absolutely vile behaviour from TRAs. For a couple of reasons really. One being it doesn’t work - TRAs have had their way for years now by being the voice that shouts the loudest, logic went out the window a long time ago so you can’t rely on being right and gracious to have any impact on the situation.

Secondly, because it buys into this bullshit narrative that women ‘should’ be kind, fair, give people the benefit of the doubt, ‘see’ the good in the bad etc. It’s playing a stereotypically ‘female’ role in the argument, while leaving the TRAs to take the stand of ‘male aggressor’. And we know who always wins in that.

So yes, I will be enjoying seeing people like Jane hoisted by their own petard. I think any pile on can only show her EXACTLY how unfair it is that you face additional hate and venom as a women, and give her a taste of what she has been putting other people through. Her ‘jokes’ were vile and this also shows just how selective some people are at which minorities they respect.

This is interesting.

https://twitter.com/iainmacwhirter/status/1436017878348804110?s=21

This links to a pic of an exert from something which explains what's happened & how Godley got dragged into this & fell foul of the 'cancel culture' she's been revelling in herself.

The reason I don't believe she's genuinely sorry for what she's posted and is simply sorry she's been targeted is that she's been flagged up for her racist tweets in the past & shrugged off any criticism. She's has many opportunities in the past to self reflect and just acknowledge how out of line her words were. Had she done so, her apology now would ring more true than hollow. I think she genuinely does feel awful but it's why she feels that way that's relevant.

She really has been hoisted by her own petard here. It's cringeworthy/satisfying (depending on how you view the social media shaming that's she's so keen to engage in & is now the target of) to witness but she's really not the 'innocent' & 'unaware' bystander suddenly caught up in something that is disproportionately targeting her. It's the game she played. You can certainly argue that she's getting worse treatment than the men who McWhirter mentions in that piece linked above. But she's played this game a long time & is fully aware how offensive she was/is as it's been her schtick for years. Her mistake was getting on board with the morally superior bullies who weaponise that self identified superiority to destroy others. She enjoyed that part of her 'tribe' & never thought they'd come for her. But as that link above mentions, the 'right' are starting to learn the dark arts of cancel culture & it's not going to be pretty when it comes for those morally superior bullies who have been revelling in their power they're wielding to dominate as much discourse as they can.

Godley is definitely suffering right now & this is probably going to impact her career. To what extent I've no idea. But her sincerity is just lacking over what she's said over the years as she's only now addressing that because she can't shrug it off this time. And knowing her stance on Marion Millar, and how she's gleefully added onto her stress for nothing that even compares to Godley's sustained & prolonged output, I really don't have much/any sympathy for her predicament. If that makes me callous 🤷🏻‍♀️

Godley Tweeted more than 200 times at 50 Cent in 2012, picked up on this thread in 2019

It’s not in Mhairi Hunter’s gift to grant forgiveness as she wasn’t the target of any of the tweets.

However, surely somebody more senior at the SNP can see that people with this kind of Twitter habit are likely to become a liability?

Like many here I’m not a fan of cancel culture but in her case I can’t muster up much sympathy. She’s been such a loud cancel culture advocate for “wrong speak” and has now been exposed to have toxic racist views herself. Those tweets were rank, we’re not just talking mildly politically incorrect here, it was blatant and disgusting racism. If you’re gonna live by the cancel culture sword, gotta be prepared to die by it.

It's the game she played

Or the game to which she became addicted - the buzz as the likes roll in, the sense of righteousness, the distraction from everyday life.

I think this is a danger for anyone on Twitter, and any self aware person realises this.

[quote Gimlisaxe]@TedImgoingmad

When I read it originally I thought she meant some of her tweets were faked, but I think what she actually means is she tweeted racist and vile shit against fake accounts who were insulting her.[/quote]
Thank you, @Gimlisaxe

Baddiel referred to an anti-semitic tweet being fake, but not sure what that was, and whether it was the tweet itself or the account, as it's deleted.

If she's been racist against "fake accounts" (not a twitterer, so not sure what that means - troll accounts? Anonymous accounts?), that implies she (and possibly Baddiel) thinks racism/racist language can be used as an attack mechanism in the right circumstances. That argument doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.

I'm generally in favour of free speech, but also believe you need to accept that this comes with consequences and accountability. Comedians as a group seem to be very keen to ensure that they are allowed to treat as comedy (however unfunny their brand of comedy might be) any topic they choose, whilst at the same time, policing the discourse of everyone else in public life. That's how Frankie Boyle gets away with it. He has the backing of his community, and appears that so does JG.

Thanks, PlayYou, it's informative to see the story behind it all.

@merrymouse

It's the game she played

Or the game to which she became addicted - the buzz as the likes roll in, the sense of righteousness, the distraction from everyday life.

I think this is a danger for anyone on Twitter, and any self aware person realises this.

Yes, exactly. She was sucked in & had no sense of self awareness to see the folly of what she was doing & where that would lead. The whole trans stuff really is band aid virtue signalling for those who have got the mentality to be abusive (unlike the many women who have never posted anything like as offensive).

Her quote tweeting of Alex Arthur (Alba candidate who had posted derogatory things about homeless people of a particular ethnicity & I think some sort of Covid conspiracy stuff) holding him up as morally deficient knowing what she herself has said which is way waaaaaay worse, exemplifies her addiction to this online tribe she was part of. She had zero self awareness to stop & think 'hang on, should I really go there?'

Honestly, her hypocrisy is what I think she deserves to be criticised for as much as the offensive shit she's done for years.

I dislike this culture of dragging up what people said 5+ years ago and using it against. Yes, it may be justified in some cases (ie they haven't really changed, which we should judge off what they say now) but it promotes a view of the world where we dont believe people can change their minds in response to new information/debate/research/realising they were a dick. What is the point in engaging with anyone on racism/misogyny/anti vax/climate change denying whatever, if we then turn round and say "oh but you tweeted this so now we're going to hound you out of work". And I don't accept that you can only change your mind under a certain age - I like to think that even over 50s (shock horror) can realise they were being racist for example and change.

This non changing view of the trickles over into politics too. Lambast Brexit supporting politicians on billboards because several years ago they supported remaining in the EU (but probably be happy if someone changed their mind the other way). Sure some politicians are self serving and will follow the popular trends but I'd prefer to live in a world where we recognise politicians change their mind (hopefully on the basis of information and debate!) even if personally don't like the change of view.