Do we have it anywhere on record that Stonewall does/does not support people to express their sexuality as exclusively homosexual?

[JustcameoutGC]

The expectation that lesbians accept partners with penises was one of the things that really made me start questioning gender identity politics more closely.

Exclusively homosexual lesbian spaces have disappeared as viewed to be transphobic. Just look on any lesbian dating apps and many of the users are male and be-penised. Some may be fine with this, but all of my lesbian friends are not, and they feel very disenfranchised, but equally they feel unable to speak out. Just look at what happened in Manchester.

I just can't wrap my head around how the prevoiusly stalwart and highly effective champion of gay rights has now essentially outlawed exclusive homosexuality.

Have they made any statements that make this stance clear? Have they actively said they do not support exclusively homosexual spaces?

@BilindaB

''And to ignore requests to qualify just how you have the authority to speak for 'the vast majority' of trans people in light of not having any other evidence to support your claim.''

I'm not speaking for them, I am reporting that I see no evidence that the majority of trans lesbians are demanding lesbians have sex with them, and have heard many prominent trans women (I follow about 6 on YouTube) all said this claim was ridiculous.

FFS This is the equivalent of posting a wikipedia entry as evidence. And to repeatedly post the Merriam-Webster dictionary entry that is circular.

Had enough of your nonsense, you're on my ignore list from now on

Aaw I'm broken hearted, broken hearted I tell ya, that someone who cannot string a coherent argument together, counter the points made, or provide evidence to back up their assertions is ignoring me. However will I cope.

you have made your homophobia and misogyny crystal clear.

Actually, if someone is believing the take of 6 males who are heavily invested in minimising this is happening then it might explain why the homophobia and misogyny doesn't register.

What strikes me is the entrenchment that if lesbians are telling you that this is homophobic, why anyone would take the 6 male's opinions over women without question?

It is blindingly clear that if you immerse yourself deeply enough you might simply never see it. It is so terrifyingly dangerous to think that some people will do this and will actively prevent the situation from improving. Because male's told them it is not happening. Or females who feel they cannot speak freely without losing their community.

I refer to the point made earlier - trans people are not so different that they don't understand that you don't get to demand who has sex wih you. Twitter is full of extremists, they may say things like that, but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits. Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources, I will go with what I think most likely, n as I first said, relegate this accusation to another scare story whipped up by GC to smear trans people. Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself.

@NecessaryScene

and that is exactly what LGBA are advocating. Your disingenuousness is off the scale.

Ah, but when Bilinda "advocates" for it (really, really quietly in a Mumsnet thread where no transwoman will tell her off), she's doing it as a good person.

When LGB Alliance advocate for it in public, they're only doing it to cover for their hateful bigotry. And Bilinda will say so to impress those transwomen.

yes! this!

Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself

I love the scent of DARVO in the arvo.

If I had a portfolio of minimum wage workers reporting health and safety violations at the factory where they worked, but six people from the multinational conglomerate's board said there had been no H&S violations, should I believe those six board members?

Oh definitely, especially if they posted it on their YouTube channels.

@BilindaB

I refer to the point made earlier - trans people are not so different that they don't understand that you don't get to demand who has sex wih you. Twitter is full of extremists, they may say things like that, but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits. Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources, I will go with what I think most likely, n as I first said, relegate this accusation to another scare story whipped up by GC to smear trans people. Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself.

Do you ever look at your posts before you post them?

I will go with what I think most likely, n as I first said, relegate this accusation to another scare story

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that anyone else cares what your personal take on it is. We have provided lots of evidence from lesbians that this is happening. You have listened to six male people who assert that it isn't. Your choice to believe or not.

Twitter is full of extremists, they may say things like that

The point remains and it has been stated repeatedly. Where are the community members working to support the victims of these alleged 'extremists'? You claim LGB Alliance is a hate group, yet you cannot provide evidence why. Yet, they at least are trying to give support to those lesbians, and now gay men, so that they can restate their boundaries.

Boundaries that you agree they should have, but can provide absolutely no evidence that currently Stonewall or your six influencers are working with lesbians and gay men to be able to state. Instead, you support that any person who is same sex attracted has to have their speech controlled and to not choose to show that they support an organisations that in turn supports them. In fact, you have repeatedly told us that if a shirt is worn, the person is asking for all the abuse and hate that the group proudly dish out.

but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits. Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources, I will go with what I think most likely, n as I first said, relegate this accusation to another scare story whipped up by GC to smear trans people. Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself.

YOU are in fact, demonising a whole group, right there.

The complete hypocrisy of that post is outstanding.

@theThreeofWeevils

Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself

I love the scent of DARVO in the arvo.

Hahahahahaha, This board is the DARVO capital!

YOU are in fact, demonising a whole group, right there.

Yup.

I can’t help but wonder when the kids go back to school…..

I’m grateful for the sunlight though!!

Imagine having the choice between roundly condemning reprehensible, homophobic coercive behaviour or dismissing it as nothing really important, if it’s even happening at all, and choosing the latter option

Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources,

Lesbians on the receiving end of this are unreliable sources, their stories are anecdotal, that's a hair breadths away from what is so frequently said about rape victims.

Actually I'm glad someone who is so misogynist, homophobic, a victim blamer and sails so close to repeating rape myths has placed me on some special 'Ignore List', I wouldn't want to be within a million miles of them.

Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources

yes.... the actual pics of the posts, and more than 6 people's anecdotal stories can never have the reliability of 6 males that are heavily invested in ignoring it happens.

It is n+1. Always n+1 before women are believed and issues taken seriously.

@OnlyTheLangOfTheTitberg

Imagine having the choice between roundly condemning reprehensible, homophobic coercive behaviour or dismissing it as nothing really important, if it’s even happening at all, and choosing the latter option

Based on influencers who probably have no expertise in supporting lesbians or women at all....

Before you go Bilinda, can you please tell us the 6 that you draw your knowledge from?

Hahahahahaha, This board is the DARVO capital!

Well this is meta. Double DARVO accusation from a DARVOist.

I refer to the point made earlier - trans people are not so different that they don't understand that you don't get to demand who has sex wih you

Let's take that apart.

trans people are not so different
True. They're just people, like everyone else. Some are male people, and some are female people.

that they don't understand that you don't get to demand who has sex wih you

You're taking it for granted here that it is universally understood that you don't get to demand that.

A lot of male people really struggle with this concept, and as already covered "trans people are not so different" from other people.

Did you know that Dr Jessica Taylor found that 50% of women had woken up to a male partner performing sex acts on them while they were asleep?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/husband-had-sex-asleep-didnt-realise-rape/

Has anyone clarified yet

1. why same-gender attracted people get a named sexuality but same-sex attracted people just get to say "no thanks" on a case-by-case basis? I'm still not clear on why gender is automatically more relevant than sex . Equally relevant to different people I could understand, but a blanket more relevant to absolutely everyone I don't. Would be great to have that explained.

2. Given that apparently they do, why from a gendersist perspective was essential that they took the names already in use for same-sex attraction rather than coin new terms?

Thank you

@Helleofabore

Before you go Bilinda, can you please tell us the 6 that you draw your knowledge from?

Sure

I watch

ContraPoints (amazing)
Kat Blaque
Jessie Gender
Philosophy Tube
Samantha Lux
Katy Montgomerie
Sam Collins (ftm)
Miss London
Jammidodger (Ftm)

Check 'em out.

but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits

The group being... males? How dare feminists impugn our society, eh?

extract

New Study:'I thought it was just a part of life'
Understanding the Scale of Violence
Committed Against Women
in the UK Since Birth

Over 22,000 UK women told VictimFocus about their experiences of violence and abuse.

This dataset is the largest and most comprehensive record of violence committed against women and girls in the UK.

99.7% of our sample had been repeatedly subjected to violence including assaults, harassment and rape.

Only 0.3% of women had only been subjected to one violent incident or less.

Our initial findings in this report suggest that current statistics of the prevalence of violence against women have been underestimated for decades, and instead, it is likely that every woman and girl will be subjected to violence, abuse, rape or harassment. In the vast majority of cases reported here, women were subjected to multiple crimes and the perpetrators were overwhelmingly male

www.victimfocus.org.uk/womens_experiences_violence_abuse_study

I also read Medium, which has a lot of content from trans people.

I'm also on a forum with lots of trans people.

ContraPoints (amazing)

well that's one word for it.