GC women thrown out of Edinburgh pub

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Sorry if there's already a thread on this. I've been following it on twitter all day but didn't spot anything on Mumsnet.

The Edinburgh News has got a report about it.
www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/inquiry-launched-into-row-over-transphobia-in-edinburgh-pub-3355594

The reporter quotes a lot of the TRA's tweets which they would probably love but I think the reporter's just given them enough rope to hang themselves.

I'm sure the average reader who hasn't followed the trans debate won't be impressed by someone who calls themselves an "AGP porn addict male" in their twitter bio.

I found a thread on twitter addressing the idea that women have privilege over transwomen. BilindaB, I think you should read it.

twitter.com/Dora_Callisto/status/1405149110148206598?s=19

@midgemagneto

So first we are cis and now bananas? Step up I think

Uh huh, this my cis All the girls stomp your feet like this

I heard that you were talking cis
And you didn't think that I would hear it

People hear you talking like that
Getting everybody fired up

Let me hear you say
This cis is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S.
This cis is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S.
Again!
This cis is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S.
This cis is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌

Ban-ana Republic ...

@Deliriumoftheendless

My pregnancy was awful.

It was nowhere near as bad as some women have, but the placenta started to detach half way through, my child was overdue and I needed to be induced and an episiotomy because the doctor told me that due to my age and the fact she was overdue there was a high chance I’d have a stillbirth if they didn’t intervene.

I was very close to needing a blood transfusion because I lost so much blood.

I’d had two membrane sweeps at this point and the first one was horrendous. It was like someone was trying to punch my uterus into responding.

The last couple of weeks of my pregnancy were the most upsetting and miserable time of my life. Post part in wasn’t much better.

Would Blinda cry me a river because I can’t impregnate anyone? If I could’ve got my male partner pregnant I would have and he could have dealt with all that while I sat on my arse drinking whiskey and waiting.

Many transwomen can make babies, many have so I would say it’s more a privilege to get someone else pregnant and avoid the problems that pregnant women go through than not carry a child.

Yes, exactly. So many women go through absolutely horrendous experiences to have a child. This is spot on Many transwomen can make babies, many have so I would say it’s more a privilege to get someone else pregnant and avoid the problems that pregnant women go through than not carry a child.

I'm curious about this oppression bullshit ... in particular that a TW will never give birth. If we ignore the absurdity of the entire sentence for a moment then surely any man who would dearly love to gestate a child and give birth is missing out too? Are they also oppressed?

And a bog standard woman apparently having better access to healthcare than a TW ... in what circumstances would there be a critical need for this for a TW that a biological man would not need? Because actually anything pertaining to their desire to be a woman isn't life saving.

And if you know of the HCPs that leap into action when we are desperate for help with the menopause, endometriosis, PCO or periods so heavy and painful a young girl misses school, for example, do tell as I know a tonne of adult human females who get diddly squat in terms of support.

@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld

No male can experience giving birth. Some females can't either Why is a TW inability to do something their body was not designed for a greater loss? It isn't discrimination it is biology

It's incredible this needs saying.

Is the implication that all women want to give birth ?
You can't be a woman if you don't want to give birth?

Whereas most ( biological) women want control over that

@BilindaB

Well you seem to have all gone bananas now, so I'll be off .

Mental health slur.

If we ignore the absurdity of the entire sentence for a moment then surely any man who would dearly love to gestate a child and give birth is missing out too? Are they also oppressed?

Doubly so. In that they don't have people like Bilinda spending all their hours saying how oppressed they are, and waving rainbow flags for them.

All those transwomen are being gender-conforming by wanting to get pregnant.

They're not truly gender-non-conforming like the men who want to get pregnant. They face a totally different level of discrimination and exclusion from society.

If you come back you should apologise for using such terminology.

I'm curious about this oppression bullshit ... in particular that a TW will never give birth. If we ignore the absurdity of the entire sentence for a moment then surely any man who would dearly love to gestate a child and give birth is missing out too? Are they also oppressed?

Oh Christ, they've got us debating the Stan/Loretta bit from The Life of Brian as though it's a real concern.

Is this what they were aiming for all along? Is it all just one massive piss-take for the lolz?

It is so frustrating that flouncing happens.

Have we "gone bananas", or is that you you don't have an answer for the questions you want to avoid, Bilinda?

It's a script, same as any abuser's script. "you're mad, you are".

No, we're not. You're just out of your depth because you can't defend the indefensible.

I think that a few posters have got a bit pissed if with some claims on this thread.

That doesn't make it a hostile space at all.

A string discussion? For sure.

Doh. Strong

Does anyone have a link to the TW in the USA who was faking pregnancy at work? Who had planned a day to role play delivering the baby, feigning breastfeeding and that the baby would be still born?

Or, the TW who was faking pregnancy on the London tube so they could get a seat?

Or any of the TW/men who steal used menstrual products from toilets?

Or any of the commercial products that can be used to fake menstruation for TW?

Or the many, many TW who have a children/family/career/pension and only then, once they are senior, successful and untouchable, only then realise that in fact, they have been trapped in the wrong body for their whole life and who then insist their children should call them "mum"?

You said "privilege" Bilinda. Did you mean "source of a common fetish"?

Oh, bum. I was really hoping for a definiton of woman.

Surely to goodness it's not that hard to give one?

Come on all you TWAW supporters - tell me! What is a woman? Define your terms! Please?

What is a woman? Define your terms! Please?

Um.... a banana?

Do bananas have sub sets?

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

Do bananas have sub sets?

Sure! Ornamental, Hardy Japanese.. we're more than just Cavendish and Lady Finger!

I keep being mistaken for a plum, mind...

@ArabellaScott

Oh, bum. I was really hoping for a definiton of woman.

Surely to goodness it's not that hard to give one?

Come on all you TWAW supporters - tell me! What is a woman? Define your terms! Please?

^Nana, Nana, bo-bana
Banana-fana fo-fana
Fee-fi-mo-mana
Nana!^

Belinda can eff off with "pregnancy is priviledge". I was raped and strangled while being called an "effing dyke" at age 19. I moved 3,000 miles away and realized I was pregnant. What privilege was that, Belinda? And if I still have your attention, which I doubt, what do you think of The rape threats lesbians get off we are not willing to spread out legs for those delicate trans ladydicks? I am furious. What of the women in prison raped by Karen White? Read terfisaslur.com to see the vile rape threats and tell me honestly: would YOU hold a lesbians legs open to assist in the validation of a trans woman?

... And if the man who raped me transitioned, Brenda would insist I tell my story as "I was raped by a woman". We I fucking will NOT put that vile act, which helped over 50 years ago and still makes me want to die, on a woman. Please look at terfisaslur.com to see the hatred. I feel more unsafe at a Pride march these days, they fucking hate lesbians

I am so sorry.

It wasn't a privilege.

I know it's a bit late, but an organisation has recently been established for women who find themselves pregnant after being subject to sexual abuse. I'm putting it here for anyone who might benefit from their support.

www.mocra-foundation.com/who-we-are