GC women thrown out of Edinburgh pub

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Sorry if there's already a thread on this. I've been following it on twitter all day but didn't spot anything on Mumsnet.

The Edinburgh News has got a report about it.
www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/inquiry-launched-into-row-over-transphobia-in-edinburgh-pub-3355594

The reporter quotes a lot of the TRA's tweets which they would probably love but I think the reporter's just given them enough rope to hang themselves.

I'm sure the average reader who hasn't followed the trans debate won't be impressed by someone who calls themselves an "AGP porn addict male" in their twitter bio.

Arabella 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

Or that almost every GC type is on Mumsnet cos its famous for it.

Nah, it's because it's a predominantly female forum of ordinary women, and the majority of women aren't swallowing ideological bullshit :)

You are so way off base now it is laughable.

And 'on the ground' I've never seen more than 100 GCs in the same place.

GC’s huh? Like there is what a ‘club’. With membership?

FFS. Go back and read that yougov survey properly. Anyone who disagreed that males with intact penises could probably be reasonably considered a ‘GC’, to use your term.

@Helleofabore

You are so way off base now it is laughable.

And 'on the ground' I've never seen more than 100 GCs in the same place.

GC’s huh? Like there is what a ‘club’. With membership?

FFS. Go back and read that yougov survey properly. Anyone who disagreed that males with intact penises could probably be reasonably considered a ‘GC’, to use your term.

' a ‘GC’, to use your term.'

I thought it was your term. I'm shortening 'gender critical' because I'm polite enough not to use the 't' word.

@BilindaB

Fair Play For Women: 44.1k followers

Hmm, had a look at their twitter and none of their posts get more than 300 likes or retweets, usually about 100. Bit odd...

There is no way on God’s earth I would like a GC tweet. I’ve made very gentle pro female comments under my own name and had a mini pile on. I’ve seen what happened to JKR not because of what she did say but because of what malicious or misguided people claimed she said, or claimed she didn’t say but really meant.

People are scared. But let’s be very clear. They are not scared because they are ashamed of their views. They know themselves and they know their views are not bigotry or hatred despite the rhetoric the ideologues use to shut down any voices that challenge their narrative. GC people know they are not the people your movement claims they are.

They are scared because they do not trust your movement to deal fairly with dissenting voices. They see how your movement lies, threatens and silences people who disagree or whose life experiences do not line up with the gender spin.

Your movement advances not by public support but through back room deals and by imposing silence and fear. Are you proud?

Marion Miller ate my last red smartie

She will rue that day.

As my mother always used to say, the Sun has the highest circulation of any newspaper in the country. It doesn't make it right.

@littlbrowndog

Jeez we got kids and work.

Can’t just be going about the country.

Who would do my work. Get toddler to nursery get child back from school and so on

You know that real life thing that women have

Somehow I suspect LBD that BB really doesn’t know about that stuff yet!

@BilindaB

''It's a Tuesday. Which is always going to be harder to make.''

That's the Suffragette spirit!

Well I don't know about you but most of us only get 6 weeks annual leave, and being almost 3/4 of the way through the year many will have already taken much of it or have the rest of it spoken for.
Some employers don't allow you to take single days (mine doesn't) so women might not be able to take a week off just to have one day that might not go ahead (again!).

As women, childcare responsibilities often fall predominantly to us as well.

Do you go to GC women’s events @BilindaB?

There's several good reasons I can't attend demonstrations, especially not during the week and during working hours.

@ScreamingMeMe

Gosh, we're really getting into desperate territory now, aren't we?

We are

Its a wee bit sad…

Twitter is not real life.

In real life. The vast majority of people think penis people going where women/ girls are vulnerable is risky at best and unconscionable at worst.

You can't really believe otherwise?

@yourhairiswinterfire

Or that almost every GC type is on Mumsnet cos its famous for it.

Nah, it's because it's a predominantly female forum of ordinary women, and the majority of women aren't swallowing ideological bullshit :)

It always make me laugh that the genderists don't connect the dots between "one of the biggest female-centred social media sites on the internet" and "bizarre hotbed of gender critical analysis".

As if it's some weird, unfathomable coincidence.

I can't go to Glasgow because I work and don't have spare leave. I also can't speak out publicly because my job will be threatened. Complaints would come to nothing thanks to Maya, but currently it's not a fight I can take on.

What I can do is throw money at the various GC linked cases. It's an act women can do anonymously and without having to worry about things like childcare. Of course the hundreds of thousands of pounds raised will be dismissed as being raised by the religious right which is nonsense of course. But I suppose its easier to make those claims than face reality.

Yes, work commitments and child care constraints do put a damper on things. Strange that someone thinks that women have the freedom to dump both on a Tuesday….

'What I can do is throw money at the various GC linked cases. It's an act women can do anonymously and without having to worry about things like childcare. Of course the hundreds of thousands of pounds raised will be dismissed as being raised by the religious right which is nonsense of course. But I suppose its easier to make those claims than face reality.'

I've looked at these too. Yes lots of money is raised. But it's usually because of about 400 donors.

Good god, when I floated the idea upthread that your figure of three thousand “gender criticals” was a count of Twitter accounts I was joking, because it’s so evidently absurd to act as if that is in any way related to real life!

Was it, really? I’m embarrassed for you if that was really it. @BilindaB can you confirm? What are you basing that figure on?

Twitter isn’t real life. A minority of the population use it, and time and again what holds true on Twitter does not translate to the real world- or maybe you missed the referenda anc elections where this was demonstrated?

10th July 2019, A Woman’s Place is On The Podium, Queen Elizabeth centre, London. I was there, and there were 700 other people there, discussing women’s rights and the impact of trans rights. So your assertion that there are never more than 100 people is easily disprovqble. And that’s just people who care enough, and are able to participate in that way- behind them are thousands who feel the same. And behind them are millions who just don’t care a fig for any kind of identity politics at all, but who know what men and women are.

Invoking the suffragettes when you’re part of the very same societal framework that tried to shut them up too is certainly a move. Exactly the same rhetoric on numbers, on meetings, on division between women.

The Scottish Government decided to hold a second consultation regarding the GRA because the first didn't get the responses they wanted. The public analysis from this second consultation still hasn't been published and all elected representatives will say is that 'it will be published in due course'.

The Scottish Government were censured by the judge in the recent court case regarding their re-definition of the word woman, because they stated that TWAW is Governmental policy. As there hasn't been any public consultation regarding this or any evidence that this has been discussed by the Government (particularly given that the SG make a big deal about their 'transparency'), they were told they could not state that it was official policy. I wonder why they don't want to state, openly, to the Scottish general public thay they believe that transwomen are literally women?

I've looked at these too. Yes lots of money is raised. But it's usually because of about 400 donors

Gosh. There are so many fundraisers - is it really the same 400 people that donate each time? They must be absolutely minted!

@BilindaB so, do you go to GC events, as you know how many are there?

I am saying that the number of GCs in the UK is no more than a couple of thousand people.

Now I know that posting this nonsense is simply to cause people to expend futile effort, to develop frustration, and to cause a "can't be arsed" reaction in the future, but I'll bite.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/919890/Analysis_of_responses_Gender_Recognition_Act.pdf

One example: Question 3: Do you think there should be a requirement in the future for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria?

(Valid) Respondents 101,420
(Valid) Yes 35.9%

That means about 36,000 people, apparently opposing self-ID, responded to the GRA consultation.

We know that government consultations, especially those not publicised, only reach a fraction of their intended audience. And of those only a part of those reached will actually respond.

There are so many fundraisers - is it really the same 400 people that donate each time? They must be absolutely minted!

Don’t you know titchy, it is us!!!!

We are all funneling funds from supposed US right wing evangelists.

This has gotten so ridiculous in the falsehoods, it has become hilarious.

Sophocles stopping putting ideas in poster’s heads…

I've looked at these too. Yes lots of money is raised. But it's usually because of about 400 donors

Take a look at the comments on Allison's case, its blindingly obvious that this is thousands of people donating small sums. Thousands of people who are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, rather than chant thought terminating slogans on twitter.

allisonbailey.co.uk/comments/