Gay men being subject to abuse for their sexuality

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Or Homophobia as we know it.

The belief that the trans-activists would stop by just attacking lesbians turns out to have been a miscalculation; gay men are a target now, and the community is only just starting to wake-up to the threat it is facing.

Woke Homophobia

@heathspeedwell

There was a Pink News survey a while ago that showed that only a tiny fraction of trans people would consider dating other trans people. Most men weren't up for it either. I think the group most likely to date trans people was bisexual women, probably due to our conditioning to be kind.

I'm a bisexual woman and I wouldn't date a transperson for all the tea in China. Just as I wouldn't date a fundamental religious person. They're belief systems I have no interest in being a part of.

unsurprisingly OP, some of the abusive tweets pointed to in your link ,also appear in this tik tok about “genital preferences”. The younger men are getting it ...

@EishetChayil
"I'm a bisexual woman and I wouldn't date a transperson for all the tea in China."

So in other words, excluding trans people is not about sexual orientation at all.

For anyone who might find it useful:

My sexual orientation means that I will reject outright any male as a sexual partner, regardless of gender identity.

My sexual preferences mean that I am not interested in transmen as sexual partners for a number of different reasons, including, but not limited to, wanting someone who wouldn't require me to lie to be with them.

Sexual orientation is protected by law. Sexual preference is a personal choice.

Attempting to shame someone for either of these aspects of themselves is pure abusive bullshit, and doing it to homosexual people is homophobia.

Cheers.

@nolongersurprised

We're not dealing with very bright people though are we?

It’s very strange how being accused on here of, say, right-ring evangelical beliefs by (presumably) American posters is supposed to lead to some sort of epiphanic change of mind.

I don’t give a fuck which group of Americans share my concerns. I’m not American and I don’t know all these people that posters keep trotting out as “gotchas”.

I can disagree about lesbians being coerced into dealing with “female penises” and also be supportive of access to abortions. I don’t give a shit about how this would be viewed in the US. The only impression I get from these posters is that everyone there must be a bit hard of thinking - everything my group says is does is good and everything the other group does is bad. It’s like friendship groups in primary school.

Rant over...

@nolongersurprised

I completely agree with you and you said it much better than I could. A lot of these identity politics problems seem to stem from America. You're either in Team A or Team B and the other side is a Nazi. NO nuance, no shades of grey, pick a side.

The influence of American culture is doing nothing good for the rest of the world and it's only getting worse with the rise of social media.

I would not be sexually attracted to a lesbian or transman because I am attracted to men and enjoy the sensations of sex with a man with a penis (and a dildo or any other kind of toy is NOT the same).

I would not be sexually attracted to a transwoman because I find feminine men in women’s clothing unattractive. Similarly I would not be attracted to a straight man who had a fetish for wearing women’s clothes or lingerie.

I would not be attracted to anyone whose grasp of reality is flimsy or non-existent and who would require me to lie on a daily basis for fear of precipitating some kind of MH or identity crisis if I let slip the truth.

I am entitled to hold all of those views. No one else has a right to my attention, my love, my body, my vagina. Choosing who to date or have sex with is, by definition, discriminatory. But it is not anything-phobic.

@BluebirdsSong No - for me it isn't about bodily parts; it's about the state of mind of the person to which they're attached. I'm not attracted to delusion.

[quote EishetChayil]@BluebirdsSong No - for me it isn't about bodily parts; it's about the state of mind of the person to which they're attached. I'm not attracted to delusion.[/quote]
Same

@WarOnWoman

The abuse of gay men not accepting trans men seems to be mostly coming from trans men themselves, from what I have seen online. Is that generally the case?

Anyway, I was thinking this is going to become more of an issue with the percentage increase in girls identifying as TM are "coming of age" and getting older. Surrounded by the belief that they are men, validated and encouraged by their peers, and possibly fuelled by testosterone, I think it's going to get even uglier. Especially as gay men will have no qualms about pushing back robustly.

Are a lot of these identifying as gay males because they are pursuing the sort of idealised, fantasy gay relationships they see (and create) in slash fan fiction and fanart on Tumblr? It's such a noticeably strong theme in fandoms, this desperation to identify and 'ship' male/male characters in TV series and films. You even see fan art showing a male character (played by a male actor on screen) depicted wearing a breast binder accompanied by a plea for 'top surgery' crowdfunding: do they think they will become that character 'irl'? It feels similar to the Oli London K-Pop fan transitioning thing, but it's rarely discussed.

So in other words, excluding trans people is not about sexual orientation at all

You seem to be confusing sexual orientation with sexual preference.

My orientation is heterosexual.

My preference is for stocky, masculine men.

Trans men would naturally be excluded as they are female. Trans women would be excluded because I don't find feminine presenting males attractive.

I also wouldn't date anyone with strong ideological beliefs that expected me to convert to their religion, or anyone who needs constant external validation of an identity.

[quote BluebirdsSong]@EishetChayil
"I'm a bisexual woman and I wouldn't date a transperson for all the tea in China."

So in other words, excluding trans people is not about sexual orientation at all.[/quote]
EC helpfully gave further elaboration that highlights the role of belief systems and (I paraphrase) ideology to which EC doesn't subscribe.

Just as I wouldn't date a fundamental religious person. They're belief systems I have no interest in being a part of.

Do you think trans people are in fact interested in dating transphobic bigots?

Homosexuality is now bigotry?

I don't think you're supposed to say that part out loud.

@TheWeeDonkey

Do you think trans people are in fact interested in dating transphobic bigots?

Homosexuality is now bigotry?

I don't think you're supposed to say that part out loud.

'bigotry', 'sin', 'unnatural affections', none of this is really new. It's just common or garden anti-LGB sentiment that has been spray painted with the trans flag.

@FloralBunting
"It's just common or garden anti-LGB sentiment that has been spray painted with the trans flag."

I'm literally bisexual, how am I "anti-LGB" lmao.

Drop the B already, it's embarrassing to be grouped together with obsessively transphobic monosexuals.

[quote BluebirdsSong]@FloralBunting
"It's just common or garden anti-LGB sentiment that has been spray painted with the trans flag."

I'm literally bisexual, how am I "anti-LGB" lmao.

Drop the B already, it's embarrassing to be grouped together with obsessively transphobic monosexuals.[/quote]
Keep calling me names, do.

It's all grist to the mill. I have already said I am ready to fight, yet again, for homosexual equality. Every time you call me a new slur you have invented to traduce homosexuals, you expose yourself.

I read a lot of those posts and a lot of them seem perfectly fine, unless you think sexuality and assigned biology are forever linked and unbreakable, which would be daft otherwise we would all be cisgender heterosexuals.

I don't think you're supposed to say that part out loud.

I guess the problem is they forget to try and think.

☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️

@FloralBunting
You think momosexual is a slur??
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosexuality

Are a lot of these identifying as gay males because they are pursuing the sort of idealised, fantasy gay relationships they see (and create) in slash fan fiction and fanart on Tumblr? It's such a noticeably strong theme in fandoms, this desperation to identify and 'ship' male/male characters in TV series and films. You even see fan art showing a male character (played by a male actor on screen) depicted wearing a breast binder accompanied by a plea for 'top surgery' crowdfunding: do they think they will become that character 'irl'? It feels similar to the Oli London K-Pop fan transitioning thing, but it's rarely discussed.

That's an interesting point. Yes, a lot of slash fics do portray idealistic gay relationships and even the abusive ones are romanticised. Gay relationships as written by girls and women. @IvyTwines2 do you read fanfics? One has to ask how much fanfic is reflecting the society views and how much is driving people's thoughts towards their identity issues. For me, it is mostly reflecting that particular subset of society's views and maybe confirming (or "validating") their views.

Bold fail! Sorry

What is wrong with being bisexual?

Have I missed something?

[quote BluebirdsSong]@FloralBunting
You think momosexual is a slur??
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosexuality[/quote]
I think you are promoting homophobia. I think you are calling homosexuals names and trying to shame us for rejecting the opposite sex.

I have no respect for the open bigotry you are vomiting out all over FWR today.

Wondering if/when people will challenge straight men on their sexual preferences!

@DisgustedofManchester

I read a lot of those posts and a lot of them seem perfectly fine, unless you think sexuality and assigned biology are forever linked and unbreakable, which would be daft otherwise we would all be cisgender heterosexuals.

How would that stop people being lesbian? Or gay? Or bi?

@TheWeeDonkey

Do you think trans people are in fact interested in dating transphobic bigots?

Homosexuality is now bigotry?

I don't think you're supposed to say that part out loud.

Homosexuality itself, no. Insistintence on sexuality being trans-exclusionary? Yes.