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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans rights protest

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Imnobody4 · 06/08/2021 23:11

Just for interest, I wasn't aware this was happening today.
#TransRightsProtest

You can read their demands here

laurakbuzz.com/2021/07/06/august-6th-trans-rights-protest-info/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/08/2021 15:28

twitter.com/ThanielTrashCat/status/1421572331793752066

Why is one of the transman's favourite things a card displaying a sexualised picture of a woman (without a mouth- I find this very disturbing) with the words Punish Me alongside?

Why not a sexualised picture of a man with the words "punish me" alongside? Does Fern link being the submissive in BDSM games with being a woman?

LadyFuHao · 07/08/2021 15:50

'Kink' being lined up to be the next big fight for us. Conflating it with LGBT rights, selling it as an orientation and identity. The increasingly depressing word 'valid' will become the byword and the safeguarding drawbridge for women and children battered down.

AlfonsoTheMango · 07/08/2021 17:54

@LadyFuHao

'Kink' being lined up to be the next big fight for us. Conflating it with LGBT rights, selling it as an orientation and identity. The increasingly depressing word 'valid' will become the byword and the safeguarding drawbridge for women and children battered down.
I agree. Not only will it be considered valid when it's in public. Protesting against it won't be 'inclusive' and anyone who says otherwise will be called a bigot and kinkphobic.
GromblesofGrimbledon · 07/08/2021 19:18

@PronounssheRa

From looking at their twitter I get the impression of a rather naive and possibly vulnerable individual.

I think there is a lot of that in the community. I saw one image which I won't post, but it was 2 thoroughly unhappy people at this protest (disclaimer I don't know how they identify), one had many self harm scars.

Some of these kids need help, instead they are being drawn into a movement which will damage them more.

There is a lot of it. Damaged, broken people.

See: Chris Chan.

SirVixofVixHall · 07/08/2021 20:16

@LadyFuHao

'Kink' being lined up to be the next big fight for us. Conflating it with LGBT rights, selling it as an orientation and identity. The increasingly depressing word 'valid' will become the byword and the safeguarding drawbridge for women and children battered down.
I agree with this.
EishetChayil · 07/08/2021 20:30

[quote TheWatersofMarch]@EishetChayil that comment undermines decent gender critical views - it's hate. It's been picked up on Twitter. The cat boy/slut in dungarees is just who he/she/they is/are and good luck to them for completely subverting gender norms. My only concern is that if that person is male I don't want to share an intimate space with them and I don't want to be screamed at as transphobic for saying so. We need third spaces so that person does not have to use a facility which compromises their safety or dignity. [/quote]
It isn't hate.

Hate is the rape threats, death threats, doxxing, being told our rights don't matter.

Me calling some weirdo a nonce might be mildly harsh but come on.

GNCQ · 07/08/2021 20:49

@KittenKong

I think baby man is baby woman (I saw some there). That’s new.
Women don't get a receding hairline like that and women don't have a male sounding voice (you need to listen to the video of the mantras being repeated on microphone). The person has or had a penis. You can just see it.
nauticant · 07/08/2021 21:01

From their twitter it's pretty clear to me that this person is female.

OldCrone · 07/08/2021 21:13

Women don't get a receding hairline like that and women don't have a male sounding voice (you need to listen to the video of the mantras being repeated on microphone).

They can do if they take testosterone.

AnyOldPrion · 07/08/2021 21:27

I think it’s a very common side effect of the high doses of testosterone required.

Regarding the hair on your head: most trans men notice some degree of frontal scalp hair thinning, especially in the area of your temples. Depending on your age and family history, you may develop thinning hair, male pattern baldness or even complete hair loss.

From: transcare.ucsf.edu/article/information-testosterone-hormone-therapy

ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 21:33

They are a transman.

Snoozer11 · 07/08/2021 21:34

An illustrator for children's books is in the Twitter replies, telling the adult baby man that he looks terrific.

It's horrifying.

KittenKong · 07/08/2021 21:38

@ScreamingMeMe

They are a transman.
That’s quite a mixed message there isn’t it?
SmokedDuck · 07/08/2021 21:46

[quote GromblesofGrimbledon]@NoWireHangersEver

I think it's inappropriate and also pretty sad to conflate your sexual preferences with your identity.

Sexual orientation? Fine. Are you straight, gay, lesbian? If that matters to you and is a big part of your identity in the way that your race or ethnicity or religion might be, then yes I get that.

But I fail to see what various kinks have to do with identity. If you have parade to the world that you like a particular fetish in the bedroom as though it has anything to do with who you are as a person, I think it might be time to invest in a hobby. And "cat boy" isn't a hobby.

Christ, the years of work from gays and lesbians to show the world that their identity was not tied to what they get up to in the bedroom, that their sexual orientation wasn't deviant, all to be undone by a new wave of activists who are absolutely obsessed with all manner of kink and fetish. [/quote]
You know though, I don't know if everyone is old enough to remember it, but there were really two directions that the gay rights movement was being pulled in, back in the day.

One was toward sexual orientation as identity, which brings it into the territory of critical theory, and you can see that stream quite prominently still in a lot of LGB politics.

The other was much less about identity and in some sense even opposed to it, because it was more about sexuality becoming mundane and unremarkable. There was a surge of this approach during and in the immediate aftermath of the AIDS crisis, and it was quite successful at bringing the general public on board. It was also probably partly fuelled by the gay communities own response to what was going on with AIDS - some common elements of 1970s gay culture didn't look so great at that point and it affected how many gay men thought about it themselves.

For whatever reasons, the sexuality as identity approach seems to have won out, at least at the activist level.

nauticant · 07/08/2021 22:01

The way I see this is the split between aiming for gay relationships to be as mundane and commonplace as straight ones, which to be honest are usually very dull, set against elevating gay relationships into something special meaning countless days of the year devoted to them with corporate interests enthusiastically jumping on board.

My instincts were that mundane and commonplace would get the best outcome. What I missed though is that the other way would be a winner in terms of raising money.

Imnobody4 · 07/08/2021 22:01

Felix was previously Trans Lead for the Foreign Office's LGBTQ+ staff network. They're now not working on health grounds. I wonder if they took their whole self to work.

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Naunet · 08/08/2021 09:27

I can't imagine any other form of hate speech being allowed to sit unchallenged for so long

😂 what a load of bollocks. All the misogyny and homophobia on Twitter is left to stand without question. You don’t need to imagine it, you just need to open your eyes.

WarriorN · 09/08/2021 08:26

Even pink news can't get the pronouns right 🤦🏻‍♀️ (Even I could spot that. Slithy Toves Wug Test Effect)

Liberation from what....

Tumble weed.

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KittenKong · 09/08/2021 09:01

It’s like religion. The first person/people must’ve known they were just winging it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2021 09:27

Even pink news can't get the pronouns right

Grin
FOJN · 09/08/2021 09:36

That Boris Johnson’s government commits to ensuring that transgender, non-binary and gender diverse people can continue to be able to access the single sex spaces that most accurately reflect their gender and their needs

The most concerning word in that demand is "continue", any attempt to reassert sex based rights will be framed as removing rights from trans people.

FOJN · 09/08/2021 09:43

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Am I the only one who saw this and thought it's another avenue for straight men, interested in young females, to exploit; pretend to be gay and validate a gender identity?

FOJN · 09/08/2021 09:45

Sorry, repeated failure to copy image from Screamingmeme's post at 21.33 on 07/08

SuspiciousHedgehog · 03/09/2021 05:05

@FluffyBattleKitten

To be honest, if the definition of transphobic is 'having reservations about people who sexualise babies and children', then I am definitely transphobic. As, thank goodness, are most of my colleagues in education. We're trained to spot red flags so good luck trying to get that one past us.
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