Trans rights protest

[Imnobody4]

Just for interest, I wasn't aware this was happening today.
#TransRightsProtest

You can read their demands here

laurakbuzz.com/2021/07/06/august-6th-trans-rights-protest-info/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

An adult male dressed as a female toddler, wearing a badge that says “slut” and campaigning for children to be given puberty blockers without their parents’ consent.

This has more red flags than a communist party conference.

Call me transphobic or a bigot as much as you like - women who protect children have always attracted anger.

The knots you are tying yourself in to downplay and dismiss an adult dressed as a toddler and wearing a slut badge whilst doing so, quite remarkable @MurielSpriggs

If saying or even thinking what I do on seeing that adult makes me transphobic I don't fucking care, I'd rather be deemed transphobic than the alternative which is what justifying and celebrating this individual is.

Research paper about paedophiles who are aroused by the thought of themselves as children.

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797616677082

Men sexually aroused by the idea or fantasy of being the kinds of individuals to whom they are sexually attracted have an erotic-target identity inversion (ETII). We conducted an online survey to investigate the prevalence and phenomenology of ETIIs among 475 men sexually attracted to children. Autopedophilia, or sexual arousal by the idea of being a child, was common. Furthermore, autopedophilic men tended to be sexually aroused by imagining themselves as the kinds of children (with respect to gender and age) to whom they are sexually attracted.

As a mother I find it deeply unpleasant that the word slut is used in conjunction with a baby costume(and the baby costume on its own is problematic by the way).
I'm not alone in thinking that children are off bounds to sexual preference of adults(I'd use a stronger p word here, but can see you lying about the nature of the post to bolster your transphobic angle.
Shame on you for defending this. But I tell you what, every individual that excuses this under the trans banner moves me closer and closer to full on intolerance, and that's someone who was previously in the be kind camp.
You're losing people's support if you excuse this nonsense.

The cat boy/slut in dungarees is just who he/she/they is/are and good luck to them for completely subverting gender norms.

Bollocks, smoke and mirrors.

Infantilising. Fetishising infantile things.

Since when was "child" a gender?

When did linking child with slut become acceptable and normal?

It's all through anime and manga. String links to furries. And we know who's hidden behind those before.

Hiding in plain sight.

Haven't read thread but is the man in the second picture on page one pushing a pushchair?

It's the one described as dressed as a toddler wearing a slot badge.

That Boris Johnson’s government commits to ensuring that transgender, non-binary and gender diverse people can continue to be able to access the single sex spaces that most accurately reflect their gender and their needs this was deleted and I understand why my comments might have deserved that so I wont go further than to say, the last three words are interesting

It seems that it is an adult female, so transman? If that's how they identify, in the toddler outfit
It really makes no difference. A toddler or baby outfit on an adult is disturbing but the slut badge on it is totally unacceptable
I'm disgusted that a children's author is praising this, and they dare abuse JKR

The deleted post referenced an adult dressed as a very small child wearing a slut badge, this could only be construed as transphobic if transtoddlers are toddlers now. If I were trans, I would be thinking very carefully about the people 'allying' themselves to the trans community and wondering what their motives were.

@Kendodd

Haven't read thread but is the man in the second picture on page one pushing a pushchair?

No it's a mobility device.

I believe that person is an adult female identifying as an adult male who identifies as a toddler who identifies as a slut. Or possibly a cat?

@MurielSpriggs I guess that what we find deeply unpleasant is subjective, but the fact that no one batted an eyelid is in itself noteworthy.

What that individual is doing is to coopt other people into validating their sexual fetish. It's not deeply unpleasant - it's far beyond that.

I looked through the adult baby's Twitter a bit and found that she posted this image recently as a reply to a 'describe yourself in one picture' prompt

And in the image: a BDSM collar, lewd anime stickers which say 'punish me', a length of rope, a jingly bell, and a pair of cat socks

How is this person allowed to be around children, like the underage transitioners speaking at the protest today? This is the account where she promoted the protest, so there must be a fair bit of interfacing with minors going on, who must have been able to see this on her timeline.

Just the combo of the Pokemon shirt and the sexual badges were making me but this is ridiculous.

@OldCrone

I guess that what we find deeply unpleasant is subjective

IIRC there was an implication that people who cosplay as 'adult babies' might be paedophiles.

I think MNHQ are being cautious about allowing posts to stand if they make 'generalisations' about a group of people, but are you saying that you find it 'deeply unpleasant' that women on a parenting website are concerned about paedophiles?

Hi there @OldCrone,

There was no "implication" in the deleted post. There was a direct allegation made against an individual. The fact that no one seemed to notice nor to bat an eyelid at this was remarkable in itself.

What sort of conclusion is one supposed to draw from an outfit and statement like that then?
Let me tell you no school in the land would let that individual within sniffing distance of children.
Are you saying schools are systematically transphobic because they treat such behaviour as the red flag it is?

MurielSpriggs
You wouldn't have any concerns about an adult wearing a toddler outfit with a slut badge on it?
They may be harmless but I wouldn't want them around my children or anyone else who links toddlers/babies/children with anything sexual

That reads badly
Not just that individual. I wouldn't want anyone around my children that sexualised babies/toddlers

[quote TheWatersofMarch]@EishetChayil that comment undermines decent gender critical views - it's hate. It's been picked up on Twitter. The cat boy/slut in dungarees is just who he/she/they is/are and good luck to them for completely subverting gender norms. My only concern is that if that person is male I don't want to share an intimate space with them and I don't want to be screamed at as transphobic for saying so. We need third spaces so that person does not have to use a facility which compromises their safety or dignity. [/quote]
I think that person violated their own dignity when they got dressed that morning.

I am still reeling that someone is more upset about someone calling out the behaviour than what that behaviour represents?

So, calling out someone's sexual fantasies that involve children, and that they chose to present themselves in their fantasy clothes at a protest where some of the demands were about breaking down children's boundaries and their parents ability to protect their children is worse than someone dressing and living their sexual fantasy life as a child and mingly with children at a protest.

Is this what you mean Muriel and Waters? That using a particular word is worse than the act? That you are both saying that the behaviour of this particular person is subverting gender norms and worthy of wishing them good luck in doing so?

mingling not mingly

@Helleofabore

I am still reeling that someone is more upset about someone calling out the behaviour than what that behaviour represents?

So, calling out someone's sexual fantasies that involve children, and that they chose to present themselves in their fantasy clothes at a protest where some of the demands were about breaking down children's boundaries and their parents ability to protect their children is worse than someone dressing and living their sexual fantasy life as a child and mingly with children at a protest.

Is this what you mean Muriel and Waters? That using a particular word is worse than the act? That you are both saying that the behaviour of this particular person is subverting gender norms and worthy of wishing them good luck in doing so?

It reminds me of the people who accused us of homophobia for saying that it wasn't appropriate for a NSPCC employee to film himself wanking at work.

In case anyone missed that:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-barrister-forces-charity-commission-probe-nspcc-over-workplace-porn-shoot

A barrister has compelled the Charity Commission to investigate the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children after an NSPCC employee appeared to film fetish porn in the office.

Evidence was circulated on social media indicating that the NSPCC's Celebrity and Talent Officer had recorded himself engaging in explicit acts at work and uploaded the footage to a publicly available porn site.

Guardian columnist Owen Jones said it was "sickening" that people had complained, and suggested that those who objected were homophobes "trying to get a gay NSPCC employee sacked".

Adult baby is followed by Nancy Kelley on twitter

To be fair, I am really actually trying to understand the motivation of both Waters the original poster as well as Muriel. Because I feel like I am missing something in the replies from Muriel which seem to be ignoring the posts asking them directly if they actually support this form of subverting gender norms?

Maybe they just thought this person was dressing innocently in their clothes without looking further at the issue. And I have done that in the past, I admit it. But I do want to know just what those posters in support of this behaviour believed they were supporting.