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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans rights protest

175 replies

Imnobody4 · 06/08/2021 23:11

Just for interest, I wasn't aware this was happening today.
#TransRightsProtest

You can read their demands here

laurakbuzz.com/2021/07/06/august-6th-trans-rights-protest-info/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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NiceGerbil · 07/08/2021 01:53

Well the shouty ones are.

Plenty just getting on with it.

uktrippin · 07/08/2021 01:54

Ok @NiceGerbil I don't know why it's ok to mention it on the one hand but not discuss on the other. That said I'm genuinely surprised to hear you say that there's surgery on a child's genitals for the purpose of feeling more confident in a shower that could be considered "non major", so yes, happy to talk elsewhere

NiceGerbil · 07/08/2021 02:08

It depends on what the surgery is, doesn't it.

It came up because of the contradiction in their policies.

Honestly happy to discuss you obviously want to, start a thread and I'm there!

NiceGerbil · 07/08/2021 02:08

If you do it on this board and reference the protest I'll find it.

NiceGerbil · 07/08/2021 02:24

Let me know when it's there prob!

SapphireSeptember · 07/08/2021 05:34

But what if you're a Gothy terve? (Or a tervey Goth?) Do I have to tell myself to fuck right off? Grin

Oh God, some of this stuff is just, argh!

That non-binary people be granted the same legal recognition as binary transgender people, by allowing them to self-identify under a reformed Gender Recognition Act as neither male nor female.

Conflating sex and gender again I see. Hmm

That Boris Johnson’s government commits to ensuring that transgender, non-binary and gender diverse people can continue to be able to access the single sex spaces that most accurately reflect their gender and their needs, and that the government commits to promoting the creation of more gender neutral spaces where appropriate.

If they're single sex spaces, then whether they match a transpersons gender is neither here nor there, what they should match is their sex. Jesus Christ, do these people not think things through?

Jaysmith71 · 07/08/2021 06:16

Be More Goth?

They're bringing Goths into this?

"To cut a long story short, I lost my mind."

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 07/08/2021 06:26

I read that a lot of LGB ppl have turned away from Stonewall due to Trans ideology.

Oh yes. Stonewall have been actively homophobic for years now. That’s why we needed the LGB Alliance.

anon12345678901 · 07/08/2021 06:32

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LoislovesStewie · 07/08/2021 06:48

Not to put too fine a point on it ; but, I am genuinely afraid for the future. All we need is an idiot PM in government, and we will be going to hell in a handcart.

FatAnkles · 07/08/2021 07:09

I can't say this on Twitter because I use my real name and my employer is "woke"/"right on"/claims to be an equal opps employer until you have an actual EO problem so here goes:

I don't GAF how anyone identifies (tho "non-binary continues to mysify me, I mean, by most definitions, many women are NB but still define themselves as women) unless by identifying as a certain "gender" (whatever) you then try and take away the hard-won rights of women (fought for, over 100s of years).

I agree with the George Carlin quote in that Twitter thread. "NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS". I also agree that stupid people shout the loudest (because they don't have intelligent arguments to back their claims they just yell).

Identify as a male, female, nothing, a sheep, don't care. Really, I don't. You do you. Are you kind? Could we be friends? Ok, cool. I don't even see transpeople as freaks, they are just being themselves.

But you cannot change sex. You cannot tell children they are trans just because they want to present with characteristics that are judged to be "male" or "female" (sexist load of shite) such as playing with dolls or wearing trousers (I've seen a lot of stupid things on the internet). I do think we need more money poured into CAMHS to support LGBTQ+ teenagers but we shouldn't be telling them (especially those who are neurodiverse) that because they don't fit into a box they are trans/NB.

I've read the "demands" and my first thought was, well, they don't ask for much, do they? Legal recognition for NB people? Sack a government minister (who, imo, has made some brave decisions)? Talking about, "marginalised people?" Marginalised is a derogatory term to describe people in our society that tbe Wokeists believe they should speak for without even asking these "marginalised" people what they think in tbe first place. Owen Jones speaks of the "marginalised" a lot and it really pisses me off. It's as if these white, middle class twonks who have suffered no personal trauma and enjoyed loads of privilege now want to speak for minorities who have a tongue in their own head and can speak for themselves, thank you very much.

And don't get me started on OJ labelling all GC folks as "hard/far right". Dear god, anyone with a GCSE in biology must be "hard right" then.

This has been ranty and I fully expect to.be deleted but I don't fucking care. The whole thing yesterday sidelined women, it told 90% of us that we're transphobic, that the government is transphobic, and that the CULT will continue to label people, put them in bixes, and cry bigot if anyone doesn't comply. They can fuck right off.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/08/2021 07:46

Don't hold back FatAnkles Grin. Love an early morning rant Grin

I've been watching the Olympics the last two weeks - a pleasure to watch young people at the peak of their physical fitness demonstrating commitment, bloody hard work and great supportive families. What a contrast to some of the images and attitudes from this gathering.

nauticant · 07/08/2021 07:57

Who would possibly approve of an adult cosplaying as a baby in public wearing a badge saying "slut"?

twitter.com/ClaraVulliamy/status/1423738656024670214

JustcameoutGC · 07/08/2021 08:44

Francis Aaron is spot fucking on. This totally meets the definition of cult.

ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 08:45

@FemaleAndLearning

Strange they just added a load of non trans issues on at the end about racism, disability and autism. A few items from the list: Call for LGB alliance to have its charity status undone Calls for sacking if Liz Truss. Calls for Stonewall to be in all places throughout government, police etc. Calls for children to change their bodies without parental consent. Calls for self ID that was promised by a previous PM. Calls for the right to be in sex segregated space of their choice. Calls for more gender neutral (aka mixed sex) spaces.
How reasonable and rational.
Trans rights protest
ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 08:45

Anyone think the adult baby looks like Alex "Infowars" Jones?

ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 08:54

[quote nauticant]Who would possibly approve of an adult cosplaying as a baby in public wearing a badge saying "slut"?

twitter.com/ClaraVulliamy/status/1423738656024670214[/quote]
A children's author? That seems totally appropriate.

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2021 09:06

That Boris Johnson’s government commits to ensuring that transgender, non-binary and gender diverse people can continue to be able to access the single sex spaces that most accurately reflect their gender and their needs

That's the problem right there.

Actually useful to see it laid out so very clearly.

That is demanding that people access single sex spaces as they please; that is clearly calling for an end to single sex spaces and services.

I expect some people are in agreement that this should happen and that all services and spaces should be mixed sex and we should have no segregation of sexes at all.

Many other people would like to discuss the implications of that.

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2021 09:07

Also noting that they seem to be asking for children of unspecified age to be given treatment without parental consent. Sounds reasonable.

NonnyMouse1337 · 07/08/2021 09:12

That non-binary people be granted the same legal recognition as binary transgender people, by allowing them to self-identify under a reformed Gender Recognition Act as neither male nor female.

What the fuck does that even mean? As far as I'm aware, the only thing the GRA gives you is the ability to change the sex marker on your birth certificate. So it says you were born female instead of male and vice versa.

Now I think falsifying one's birth certificate should never be allowed, but that's another topic for discussion. However, these gender extremists want the GRA changed so that they can get birth certificates.....that say what? They were born as neither male or female?? What on earth for? Should I have the right to a birth certificate that says I was born as a moomin? A wookie? A poltergeist? 👻

Helleofabore · 07/08/2021 09:15

I’d like to know what these protesters would think happens when we all declare our ‘NB’ status. Do they actually understand how many of us there are.

Will the government services that need the information cope with the ambiguity? Because this group seem to think that the NB group is small. I wonder when they will realize that their term and definition is actually capturing the majority of people and renders it effectively meaningless.

NonnyMouse1337 · 07/08/2021 09:15

That Boris Johnson’s government commits to ensuring that transgender, non-binary and gender diverse people can continue to be able to access the single sex spaces that most accurately reflect their gender and their needs.

I thought the gender extremists keep telling us that sex and gender aren't the same thing, so why the hell do they want access to any single-sex spaces? Lobby for their own sparkly gender ones.

AlfonsoTheMango · 07/08/2021 09:17

I have autism and am horrified that this group decided to tack on my condition to their demands. They don't speak for me and I want nothing to do with them.

WarriorN · 07/08/2021 09:19

More hiding in plain sight.

SirVixofVixHall · 07/08/2021 09:39

[quote nauticant]Who would possibly approve of an adult cosplaying as a baby in public wearing a badge saying "slut"?

twitter.com/ClaraVulliamy/status/1423738656024670214[/quote]
So depressing. A children’s author shoring up an adult dressed as a two year old, with a badge saying SLUT.

I can’t read her posts as even though i have never interacted with her I am blocked...so progressive.
Somehow I feel that if a different adult female applied for a job with this author, wearing a badge saying SLUT, they might not get the same level of gushing approval.