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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans rights protest

175 replies

Imnobody4 · 06/08/2021 23:11

Just for interest, I wasn't aware this was happening today.
#TransRightsProtest

You can read their demands here

laurakbuzz.com/2021/07/06/august-6th-trans-rights-protest-info/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 14:06

Some norms should not be subverted.

MurielSpriggs · 07/08/2021 14:10

Oh my dearie gracious, the embellishment and distorted comprehension are remarkable, and the fantasies appear to be dreamt up here!

Good afternoon ladies

Imnobody4 · 07/08/2021 14:10

Just to say the 'adult baby' Felix Fern is one of the co-organisers of the protest.

Hi all, my name is Laura Kate Dale, and myself and my co-organiser Felix Fern are currently organising a trans rights protest due to take place August 6th, outside Downing Street in London, starting at 1pm.

From looking at their twitter I get the impression of a rather naive and possibly vulnerable individual. But the link between Queer and Kink is clear and Stonewall and TRAs in general have to own that and society have the right to question and criticise the stand they've decided to take.

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FluffyBattleKitten · 07/08/2021 14:21

Stellar work on representation of trans people, Muriel. I'm sure they'll all be delighted to stand behind sexualised baby cosplayers.
I'd hope the majority would be horrified by such forced teaming, let's hope you're reaction is not widely condoned.

Generally, children are the one thing most people agree on. Their right to be protected and not have their innocence corrupted.
If children become widely known as 'game' for trans sexual fodder you'll find that even the captured very quickly row back.
It's been educational.

nauticant · 07/08/2021 14:22

In the interests of balance, Felix Fern is saying that their appearance at the protest had nothing to do with presenting as an adult baby and was simply to do with their preference for colourful dunagrees:

twitter.com/ThanielTrashCat/status/1423991314174128128

ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 14:22

Looks like you won't be getting an answer Helle

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/08/2021 14:23

@CorvusPurpureus

I believe that person is an adult female identifying as an adult male who identifies as a toddler who identifies as a slut. Or possibly a cat?
God that sounds like hard work…
EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 07/08/2021 14:24

If children become widely known as 'game' for trans sexual fodder you'll find that even the captured very quickly row back.
It's been educational.

Considering that some little boys have already danced in drag in gay bars, I think we’re already there.

Helleofabore · 07/08/2021 14:24

Lovely... We shall go with the obvious interpretation then.

Anyone who supports the fetishisation of children is not subverting gender norms at all. They are subverting the boundaries of children both directly and indirectly.

Helleofabore · 07/08/2021 14:26

ScreamingMeMe

I will take the post as the answer as that is obviously what Muriel intended.

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 07/08/2021 14:26

Does that mean you have no reply MurielSpriggs?

Helleofabore · 07/08/2021 14:29

I am happy to call out Age Play and particularly any person who includes themselves in a group pushing for such policies to be adopted by the government that impact children's safeguarding, health and safety.

A bit concerning that others are happy to ignore it.

FluffyBattleKitten · 07/08/2021 14:30

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

*If children become widely known as 'game' for trans sexual fodder you'll find that even the captured very quickly row back. It's been educational.*

Considering that some little boys have already danced in drag in gay bars, I think we’re already there.

Unfortunately, when the pushback happens, LGB people will be caught up in it, if they've been seen as a community to condone such behaviour. Obviously many LGB people are not in support of this at all, but their banner is being used to push the boundaries.

Boundaries are there for a reason most of the time. Sparing people your private life used to be the norm, now people cry prude because you object to children being exposed to inappropriate sexualised costumes, environments and activity.

NoWireHangersEver · 07/08/2021 14:33

@MurielSpriggs please actually look at this person's profile: their 'about' field literally says 'Kinky' and they've posted images of BDSM gear and Hentai imagery, on a page which other protest attendees (including minors) will no doubt discover and interact with. There's no issue with grown adults wearing pastels, but there IS an issue with a grown adult decorating herself with children's characters (Jigglypuff from Pokemon) and simultaneously using 'slut' and 'catboy' badges to reflect her sex life, in a venue where children are confirmed to be present - and while discussing children's medicine and rights.

I'm sure there are many other people with these same tastes, but according to the basic rules of 'queer, kinky' BDSM, you need to take precautions to make sure you aren't exposing minors and other non-consenting parties to your sex life. This would include a separate NSFW Twitter account (with the protest information and advocacy on the SFW one, not the two mixed together), and it would also include not wearing these badges at a public, daylight, non-sexual event.

This isn't about subverting gender norms at all, unless you count the gender norm of males being sex pests.
(For those who don't know, 'catboy' also has sexual connotations from - surprise - anime)

Helleofabore · 07/08/2021 14:40

saying that their appearance at the protest had nothing to do with presenting as an adult baby and was simply to do with their preference for colourful dunagrees

I'd say someone has pointed out how inappropriate their outfit was in regards to their sexual tastes and they have backtracked. This was a person that seems well connected to the protest organisation and that knew minors would be there, including speaking officially at the protest.

Had the badges not been worn, they could have fallen back on that claim. But the badges give away their intention.

GromblesofGrimbledon · 07/08/2021 14:43

@NoWireHangersEver

I think it's inappropriate and also pretty sad to conflate your sexual preferences with your identity.

Sexual orientation? Fine. Are you straight, gay, lesbian? If that matters to you and is a big part of your identity in the way that your race or ethnicity or religion might be, then yes I get that.

But I fail to see what various kinks have to do with identity. If you have parade to the world that you like a particular fetish in the bedroom as though it has anything to do with who you are as a person, I think it might be time to invest in a hobby. And "cat boy" isn't a hobby.

Christ, the years of work from gays and lesbians to show the world that their identity was not tied to what they get up to in the bedroom, that their sexual orientation wasn't deviant, all to be undone by a new wave of activists who are absolutely obsessed with all manner of kink and fetish.

WhereHasMyMojoGone · 07/08/2021 14:43

I still can't get my hat on about the non binary.

Reject the social norms and stereotypes by all means - most of us do that anyway! Present in a non gendered way? Fine.

But asking to be legally recognised as neither male or female? It just boggles the mind Confused

AnyOldPrion · 07/08/2021 14:45

It reminds me of the people who accused us of homophobia for saying that it wasn't appropriate for a NSPCC employee to film himself wanking at work.

Indeed. I am also reading this thread with bemusement.

The queer agenda is aimed at pushing any and all boundaries.

Wearing baby clothes with a badge that says slut certainly opens up some interesting questions regarding exactly which boundaries such an individual is pushing.

It’s an odd dynamic whereby you advocate for, and carry out an attempt to push boundaries, but want to stop anyone else from pointing out exactly what you are doing and where it leads.

🤔

PronounssheRa · 07/08/2021 15:06

From looking at their twitter I get the impression of a rather naive and possibly vulnerable individual.

I think there is a lot of that in the community. I saw one image which I won't post, but it was 2 thoroughly unhappy people at this protest (disclaimer I don't know how they identify), one had many self harm scars.

Some of these kids need help, instead they are being drawn into a movement which will damage them more.

ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 15:09

[quote nauticant]Let's just say I'm skeptical:

twitter.com/ThanielTrashCat/status/1421572331793752066

twitter.com/ThanielTrashCat/status/1423252740864610306

twitter.com/ThanielTrashCat/status/1405575171445039109[/quote]
Yes...I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and was indeed going to reply to your other post with "Well thank goodness for that" and apologies. But, well ..

It reminds me of the people who accused us of homophobia for saying that it wasn't appropriate for a NSPCC employee to film himself wanking at work.

And the Adult Babies and Pups we've previously seen at Pride marches

Helleofabore · 07/08/2021 15:12

nauticant

And yet.... the fantasies appear to be dreamt up here!

So, that is us told!

ScreamingMeMe · 07/08/2021 15:13

@WhereHasMyMojoGone

I still can't get my hat on about the non binary.

Reject the social norms and stereotypes by all means - most of us do that anyway! Present in a non gendered way? Fine.

But asking to be legally recognised as neither male or female? It just boggles the mind Confused

I want to tell non binary people that they're gender critical. I'm sure that would go down well Grin
Helleofabore · 07/08/2021 15:15

I know Screaming, I know.

I had already looked on twitter. You cannot ignore it once you have seen it, this was a deliberate clothing/badge choice.

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 07/08/2021 15:27

@MurielSpriggs

Oh my dearie gracious, the embellishment and distorted comprehension are remarkable, and the fantasies appear to be dreamt up here!

Good afternoon ladies

So I guess you're flouncing then....how original.