Trans rights protest

[Imnobody4]

Just for interest, I wasn't aware this was happening today.
#TransRightsProtest

You can read their demands here

laurakbuzz.com/2021/07/06/august-6th-trans-rights-protest-info/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

They want to access single sex spaces that most accurately reflect their gender?

They don’t seem to realise that if they continue the way they are then all spaces will be mixed sex. How will they get the validation they seek when there are no longer any single sex spaces left?

Or maybe the main goal is to make sure that women can’t have single sex spaces?

[quote TheWatersofMarch]@EishetChayil that comment undermines decent gender critical views - it's hate. It's been picked up on Twitter. The cat boy/slut in dungarees is just who he/she/they is/are and good luck to them for completely subverting gender norms. My only concern is that if that person is male I don't want to share an intimate space with them and I don't want to be screamed at as transphobic for saying so. We need third spaces so that person does not have to use a facility which compromises their safety or dignity. [/quote]
I'd agree with this.

Posters often indignantly deny that this forum is transphobic. The common comment is: "where's the transphobia? If you see it report it."

And yet right there is a defiantly hate-filled, defamatory post. Apart from yours the only response it's had is delighted giggles and acquiescence. No other poster has questioned or criticised it. The discussion has just carried on around it, like it's nothing out of the ordinary.

I think many people would be concerned about fetishishing toddlers. See also adult babies
I though trans was about being the opposite sex not being a 'slot toddler' if that is what trans is all about then it's reasonable to have concerns
No parent wants babies/toddlers to be used as a fetish

Slut that should be

I'm sorry, but are you suggesting a grown adult dressed as a baby with the word slut on them is to be without question, or it's transphobic.
If so, you're really out of touch with reality. Most people would find that disturbing at the very least.

Posters often indignantly deny that this forum is transphobic. The common comment is: "where's the transphobia? If you see it report it."

And yet right there is a defiantly hate-filled, defamatory post.

Is objecting to adults dressed as toddlers now transphobic?

Can you explain what the connection is between adult babies and being trans?

Surely you can see how defending that damages the notion of trans more than GC feminists ever could.
Bit of an own goal, mate.

MurielSpriggs
I thought trans was about identify and a feeling that a person is not the sex they should have been
Are you saying it is also a toddler fetish?
Do educate me

Look who else was there! Non-Binary Mayor!

It's a case of not looking at the actions but looking at the actor. If the actor falls into a special group then they should not be held accountable for their actions. To do so is -phobic.

The precedents for this kind of thinking are many and tend to lead to horrible outcomes.

Identity
Bloody auto correct

@FluffyBattleKitten

I'm sorry, but are you suggesting a grown adult dressed as a baby with the word slut on them is to be without question, or it's transphobic. If so, you're really out of touch with reality. Most people would find that disturbing at the very least.

This goes way beyond ‘we just want to pee.’ Or should an adult who identifies as a slutty toddler be allowed to attend playgroups & be cared for in crèches?

To be honest, if the definition of transphobic is 'having reservations about people who sexualise babies and children', then I am definitely transphobic.
As, thank goodness, are most of my colleagues in education.
We're trained to spot red flags so good luck trying to get that one past us.

@nauticant

It's a case of not looking at the actions but looking at the actor. If the actor falls into a special group then they should not be held accountable for their actions. To do so is -phobic.

The precedents for this kind of thinking are many and tend to lead to horrible outcomes.

Yes indeed. It goes back to the idea of the sacred caste. And we know how badly that worked out in the past.

@OldCrone

Posters often indignantly deny that this forum is transphobic. The common comment is: "where's the transphobia? If you see it report it."

And yet right there is a defiantly hate-filled, defamatory post.

Is objecting to adults dressed as toddlers now transphobic?

Can you explain what the connection is between adult babies and being trans?

Hi @OldCrone

I think you're at cross-puposes. My remark (and that of @TheWatersofMarch) was about a very unpleasant and defamatory post made last night (first page) which was ignored or chuckled at by other posters. It's finally been deleted in the last half hour. I won't repeat its gist, but apparently it's made it onto twitter.

I can't imagine any other form of hate speech being allowed to sit unchallenged for so long.

MurielSprigg
Yet the comment you shared was supporting the toddler dressed adult wearing a slut badge

I don't think anyone here hates trans people, in the main we have sympathy for the difficulties individual trans people may have. We just want to preserve our sex based rights, and it's a bit sad that some people seem to spend a lot of time on here trying to catch us out being hateful....

I'm sorry, but I only see one deleted post by that user and as I responded to it I remember it was referencing an adult dressed as a baby.
Happy to be proved wrong if a screenshot exists.
But this yet again highlights the need for a 'reason message deleted' code used by hq.

The cat boy/slut in dungarees is just who he/she/they is/are and good luck to them for completely subverting gender norms.

I disagree.

Fetishising children in anyway is not ‘completely subverting gender norms’. I certainly do not support this.

Sounds like another key question to me:

Is objecting to sexualised infants appalling transphobia?

@FluffyBattleKitten

I'm sorry, but I only see one deleted post by that user and as I responded to it I remember it was referencing an adult dressed as a baby. Happy to be proved wrong if a screenshot exists. But this yet again highlights the need for a 'reason message deleted' code used by hq.

Impossible to discuss without repeating what was said. It started "waiting for the deletion" and then said something deeply unpleasant, and undoubtedly defamatory, enough for Mumsnet to delete it and all posts that quoted it (including the giggly ones).

I guess that what we find deeply unpleasant is subjective, but the fact that no one batted an eyelid is in itself noteworthy.

You agreed with this @MurielSpriggs:

The cat boy/slut in dungarees is just who he/she/they is/are and good luck to them for completely subverting gender norms.

So you are agreeing that this person 'is just' an adult toddler, and an adult dressing as a toddler is 'subverting gender norms'?

And that if we object to the implied sexualisation of toddlers we are transphobic?

I guess that what we find deeply unpleasant is subjective

Can I ask if you find fetishising a child is worthy of celebrating as subverting gender norms!

Maybe I have misread and you do not agree with this statement.

Again, of it's on twitter in its original form, you won't mind posting a quick link or screenshot.

I remember that post. I was up with baby. It was a rather, shall we say descriptive, choice of words for someone who can sexualises children.

It began with n. Often used to describe child abusers.
I'd be interested to know what word you do think is acceptable to describe someone who sexualises infants.

I guess that what we find deeply unpleasant is subjective

IIRC there was an implication that people who cosplay as 'adult babies' might be paedophiles.

I think MNHQ are being cautious about allowing posts to stand if they make 'generalisations' about a group of people, but are you saying that you find it 'deeply unpleasant' that women on a parenting website are concerned about paedophiles?