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Of course they were booked as a female 🤦‍♀️

This isn't a 'trans crime' per se, it's a 'fucked in the head person crime'./

I don't see that the two things are necessarily mutually exclusive.

This isn't a 'trans crime' per se, it's a 'fucked in the head person
crime
The two are not mutually exclusive. But anyway the rules are that if a person says they are trans, then they are trans and that's it. No going around the houses.
Wether CWC is gullible enough to be led by the nose by strangers online is neither here nor there.

If that mentally ill and a danger to CWC and others, CWC needs to be in some sort of secure facility, obviously.

Exactly. It literally (in the true sense of the word!) does not matter whether he is actually trans or not! According to the dogma of this ideology, he says he is trans, so he is.

I can’t understand how it isn’t crystal clear that whether or not it is a trans crime is entirely beside the point!

It may be, it may not.

I know one thing for certain, though: it’s not a woman’s crime!

@fridgepants that is just so disturbing.

Those trolls are vile people. The dark underbelly of humanity.

I’m not going to read too much because I honestly will not give that kind of poison space in my mind.

Whatever way you look at it, from whatever perspective, it’s absolutely horrendous.

[quote fridgepants]That Glinner piece misses the point - CWC is not in any sense a TRA, their life is a product and result of obsessive trolling. Newspapers will not refer to them (and I am using 'them', despite being not GC, because the evidence points to CWC being basically trolled into transitioning by 4channers egging them on) by their previous name because how the heck do you even start to explain the CWC story to someone who isn't extremely online, to a general audience who'll probably never have heard of 4Chan?

Pitching CWC as an example of "the trans activism movement" is a bit like pitching Hitler as being mostly known for his vegetarianism and some paintings. Yes, gender has an impact when it comes to this crime, the proceedings, what will happen with prison. No doubt. But before this came to light, it was clear that CWC was very unwell and was being groomed by trolls into doing more and more crazy things for the amusement of the internet. Thread here from people who've been documenting it (and, while I've spent time on snark sites myself, this is barely comprehensible) www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/8qdzl4/is_chrischan_really_trans_or_is_this_part_of_his/[/quote]
At no point does that piece call CWC a TRA. It is critical of the TRAs who are trying to enforce pronouns etc and of gender ideology and how it has led to this.

It also says:

"The Chris Chan story is grotesque and cruel and sad. It is a story of a deeply disturbed and lonely man whose delusions are still being spoon-fed to him by a complicit media class that has utterly lost its way."

Are you sure you read it all?

This matter may soon be sub judice (although that isn't taken as seriously in the US as it is in Britain) and whether this person is mentally competent etc is a matter for the court. It's not something that we should pronounce on here.

What I think we can and should pronounce on here is the fact that these offences ought to be recorded as, and reported as, male offences.

[quote fridgepants]@ScreamingMeMe I read that as being what Glinner thinks of as the 'gender cult' or whatever he's calling it now, as that's his 'hing. 4Chan is not a 'media class', they are not the establishment, there are not thinkpieces about Sonichu in major publications. If he's trying to draw a parallel between his own obsession (and whether you share his GC views or not, I think that;s a fair term to use) and those of the trolls documenting CWC, he's drawing a crooked line.

Anyway, I'm tapping out of this thread now, have read too much about CWC/the farms for my taste, and I'd like to be able to eat my tea tonight.[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you have written about CWC. The trolling by 4chan and others over many years amounts to serious and sustained psychological, emotional, financial and sexual abuse. I don't know whether he started IDing as a woman because he was goaded into it by trolls but from everything I have read and seen of this man and his abusers it would not surprise me at all.

But of course Glinner does not think 4chan are the media class!

When he says, It is a story of a deeply disturbed and lonely man whose delusions are still being spoon-fed to him by a complicit media class that has utterly lost its way. - he is talking about the mainstream media who are using words like 'she', 'her', 'woman' and 'daughter' when they report this horrendous (alleged) crime.

The trolls may have set this in motion but Glinner is right when he says that a complicit media class are continuing to spoon-feed this man's delusions.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

So, this person has been manipulated into raping his mother by online trolls?

That's the world we live in now?

That's my reaction. I have no words for it.

What I think we can and should pronounce on here is the fact that these offences ought to be recorded as, and reported as, male offences.

Quite.

I will say that I am entirely comfortable with people also being prosecuted for abuse of CWC and inciting violence, if that was found to be the case.

Erish "I am entirely comfortable with people also being prosecuted for abuse of CWC and inciting violence, if that was found to be the case.

Agree.

If this is all true - which seems extraordinary to me - then it looks like a modern day "chuck him in the ring with a lion" for entertainment.

I'm horrified by the assault on this vulnerable woman - but I'm surrpsrised to find that I am even more disturbed to learn that an unknown number of keyboard provocateurs have been toying with this accused perpetrator for a decade.

Fuck me, that's dark.

I'm willing to bet the people behind the keyboards are male, the people doing the raping and harassing are male and the people who are the targets are female.

I'm willing to bet the people behind the keyboards are male, the people doing the raping and harassing are male and the people who are the targets are female.

Yes. I'm trying to think of a past time, or historical situation that is similar and I just can't.

Not only did that dreadful man rape his own mother, it would appear he was goaded into it for the sport of other men.

Not sure why that got deleted, unless it was the link. Oh well.

I don't know anything about this person.

I find the focus on his internet presence and actions uncomfortable.

If he has severe MH issues then that should be taken into account at the trial.
If he was being harrassed online and manipulated bullied etc then those who stepped over the line should be found and action taken of whatever type is available.
Also questions about how this did not come to attention of (??? not sure how works in USA) IE failures, gaps etc.

Ok good.

He has been arrested for raping his mother who has dementia. Repeatedly.

He did not disclose this to his followers (AFAIK) which presumably means he knew it was not something that it's ok to do.

The points about goading to extreme acts for followers is different then.
Is there any evidence he was pushed to do this by his audience? If so I will reconsider. Esp if he shared images or said he'd done it in DMs to people who wanted him to.

The suggestions that he didn't understand consent are ridiculous. Again, why would he have not talked about it etc?

Sorry no. It sounds like he was vulnerable and others got enjoyment from pushing him further.

That's bad obv.

I do not buy at all that it's any full or partial explanation or reason for mitigation.

Because if he believed it was fine the situation doesn't sound like he would have kept it to himself.

Yes he was goaded into some really fucked up stuff years ago. The internet was a much crazier place back then. There doesn’t seem to have been that kind of trolling to such an extent in recent years. As nicegerbil has said, he obviously knew it was wrong and tried to hide it, so I doubt anyone was pulling the strings in this instance.

Glad to see that he has been put in a men’s jail. The guy could probably do with a very long break from the internet and some structure in his life. Hopefully for life.

I think what’s really frightening is that it’s getting harder and harder to tell the difference between the trolls and ‘true believers’. If people cannot reliably tell anymore what’s satire and what’s not, we’re in a truly shitty place.

Was just googling to see about male prison which surprised me.

Came across PN take. They would I'm sure say innocent until proven guilty which is fair enough. I haven't seen other publications being so cautious though.

They also out CC as trans which I thought was a big no-no.

'Police detained the YouTuber, who maintains a channel with 50,000 subscribers, on Sunday (1 August) after a leaked phone conversation spread online. The authenticity of the recording hasn’t been confirmed.

In the eight-minute audio someone purporting to be Chandler tells her friend about having sexual relations with her elderly mother, Barbara, who is believed to have dementia.

The person said to be Chandler begins by stating “the incest fanfics have come true”, before claiming that “we’ve been doing it every third night” since 27 June.'

The sentencing guidelines give a depressingly low max punishment'

'Under Virginia law, she could face a prison term of not less than one year or more than 10 years and a fine of up to $2,500.'

In male jail will I assume create a lot of anger from some quarters.

I imagine there will be lots of statements from stars trans orgs etc expressing their outrage and demanding an immediate move to female facility.

I suppose CC could be so f*cked up as to believe that his mother was in fact consenting to sex, maybe b/c she felt sorry for him? (cf. lesbians). OTOH he seems to be so utterly not right in the head that he would have tried to celebrate his non-celibacy on YouTube.

If he turns out not to be competent to stand trial he will go to a MH facility and his self-ID as female would have to be questioned, since such a self-ID has legal consequences and adults must be able to understand choices that have legal consequences.

But it's more likely he'll be sent to prison because America. If they execute mentally ill or incompetent people here they can certainly send them to prison.