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I'm a 5 year old boy.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 13:11

Feeling depressed. What the hell is the point of education?
We have a 15 year old house guest from Germany. Goes to a grammar school and is bright and interested in things.
I gave her the Youtube video to watch which shows a man asking American university students about whether they believe him if he (a medium height 40 year white old man) tells them that he's a completely different type of person. She watched it and then told me she would have believed the man. I asked her if she would believe me if I, a middle-aged woman, told her I was a 5 year old boy. She said she would. If I say I am a 5 year old boy, then I am.
Does the human species deserve to survive?

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sailmeaway · 28/07/2021 13:20

Are you sure she wasn't calling you out on your obvious goading? Or maybe she's being polite to the adult who's house she's in. Sounds like the 15 year old might be smarter than you realise. And perhaps just thinks you're odd...

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 28/07/2021 13:23

Ask her if she can see any problems with words having no meaning.
Would she support your right to go to school with other 5 year olds or be hailed a genius as you are so far advanced from your peers

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 28/07/2021 13:23

I wonder what sort of outcome you were looking for from a teenager who is a guest in your home and for whom English is (presumably) a second language (at least).

I can think of multiple cultural reasons why somebody would wish to provide what might have seemed like a conciliatory answer to you.

NuffSaidSam · 28/07/2021 13:23

She's winding you up/making a point.

sailmeaway · 28/07/2021 13:29

Such a weird thing to do to a teenage house guest, IMHO, she probably thinks you're barking...

sailmeaway · 28/07/2021 13:30

As in a lost of translation moment, where she, your teenage houseguest from another country, thinks you wants her to say Yes, of course you're a 5 year old boy...

dyslek · 28/07/2021 13:31

Do you think her motivation was to show allegience to idology (I am assuming here that she cant actually believe, not in any way that the word believe is commonly understood) or do you think as pp seem to have assumed that she is saying this to please you? or wind you up? (though not sure quite how it can be both?)

LynetteScavo · 28/07/2021 13:33

What the hell you you show that to a 15yo German house guest?

I'd love to see the texts she's sending home

I think she's just politely nodding along. She probably also hates your shepherds pie, but doesn't like to say so

However, I did have a similar conversation with my 15yo DD, and ended up telling her I was non-binary at the moment. She asked me if I was serious.

dyslek · 28/07/2021 13:33

@sailmeaway

Such a weird thing to do to a teenage house guest, IMHO, she probably thinks you're barking...

God I know right, all these women banging on about safety and dignity, and you know, having rights.

When are they going to start talking about baking or soft furnishing like their supposed to....

334bu · 28/07/2021 13:46

Tell her 'I am the owner of your iPhone" and see if she agrees with you.

sailmeaway · 28/07/2021 13:51

'God I know right, all these women banging on about safety and dignity, and you know, having rights.

When are they going to start talking about baking or soft furnishing like their supposed to....'

Oh come on! I don't know what in gods name I would have done on my French exchange as a teenager if the mother or father for that matter had started banging on about being a 5 year old boy!! I probably would have assumed I'd misheard or mistranslated something and nodded and smiled while planning on packing a bag asap and running home!

BarbaraPapa · 28/07/2021 13:52

Why on earth would you do that, unless you'd already had several days of gender-themed lectures from her?

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 13:54

She definitely means it, because we had a preliminary discussion when she mentioned how good it is when men discover that they have in fact always been women (lesbians).
I asked her the anorexia question - is it a good idea to agree with an a very thin anorexic girl that she's fat and should go on a diet. She said no -as going on a diet would be bad for the girl's health. I asked her whether surgery and drugs were bad for ones health, but she said that using surgery and drugs as a transman is not harmful.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 13:56

She speaks near fluent English, by the way.

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Datun · 28/07/2021 13:56

I know the video you speak of. A man in his 30s got a student to agree that he was actually an elderly Chinese woman.

She obviously knows she isn't. But she didn't have the confidence to say so.

Or, she believes that a person saying something means you have to agree, even though it's not true.

It's very strange that people like this cannot imagine the implications involved in such an ideology.

Blueskyemily · 28/07/2021 13:58

Why did you show her the video?

I've been an exchange student and I would have politely nodded along or assumed I'd misunderstood if the host told me the sky was purple...

So unless there is a backstory here and she's been banging on about gender politics for days, I wouldn't assume she actually does believe this.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 14:00

I was interested to see how far the bullshit had gone in Germany. A very long way in that generation, apparently. I do feel that a species with the intelligence that humans have that can achieve that level of credulity so easily, in a civilised country like Germany that has supposedly learned from the 1930s, doesn't have a future. As evidenced by global warming, atomic warfare, etc, etc.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 14:02

I can't get my head around it, but she appears to believe it in the sense that gender is everything and gender = feelings (gender is feelings is the way she put it).

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NuffSaidSam · 28/07/2021 14:06

I don't think teenagers are a good test of credulity really. I believed all sorts of nonsense when I was 15. I've since grown up. I think most of them will too.

RaindropsOnRosie · 28/07/2021 14:08

I think she was winding you up, and it worked. If only she had a manager you could speak to!

AppleKatie · 28/07/2021 14:09

I think most of them will too.

Yes I’m much more interested in the opinions of young women in their early 20s tbh.

Teenagers as a class aren’t really a good barometer of public opinion.

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567fedup · 28/07/2021 14:11

She wasn't winding me up. I spend a lot of time with teenagers, and I am fully confident, in the context of the conversation, that she meant this. She did say that she wasn't convinced with the man giving himself a different height than his real height, but was happy with everything else he said (age, sex (gender?), race)

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DeliciousSoup · 28/07/2021 14:13

I feel your pain OP, as I have a very woke dd who would say similar. Try her with logic and she just stops engaging.

Does the human race deserve to survive?

I often wonder this myself.

EleanorOlephantisjustfine · 28/07/2021 14:14

The poor girl is on holiday and your firing all these bizarre questions at her.

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